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Joanna Cannon, executive director for the Department of Education's Office of Research and Data, spoke to the press inside the Tweed Courthouse in Lower Manhattan on Friday while Chancellor Dennis M. Walcott, left, looked on.Joshua Bright for The New York TimesJoanna Cannon, executive director for the Department of Education's Office of Research and Data, spoke to the press inside the Tweed Courthouse in Lower Manhattan on Friday while Chancellor Dennis M. Walcott, left, looked on.
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Feb. 24, 2012, 11:21 a.m.

7:17 p.m. | Updated After a long legal battle and amid much anguish by teachers and other educators, the New York City Education Department released individual performance rankings of 18,000 public school teachers on Friday, while admonishing the news media not to use the scores to label or pillory teachers.

Teacher Data Reports

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The reports, which name teachers as well as their schools, rank teachers based on their students’ gains on the state’s math and English exams over five years and up until the 2009-10 school year. The city released the reports after the United Federation of Teachers exhausted all legal remedies to block their public disclosure.

The reports are now available on SchoolBook, posted on the individual pages for the elementary and middle schools whose teachers’ ratings were released. You can search for a school by using the search module on the left.

At a briefing on Friday morning, an Education Department official said that over the five years, 521 teachers were rated in the bottom 5 percent for two or more years, and 696 were repeatedly in the top 5 percent.

But citing both the wide margin of error — on average, a teacher’s math score could be 35 percentage points off, or 53 points on the English exam — as well as the limited sample size — some teachers are being judged on as few as 10 students — city education officials said their confidence in the data varied widely from case to case.

“The purpose of these reports is not to look at any individual score in isolation ever,” said the Education Department’s chief academic officer, Shael Polakow-Suransky. “No principal would ever make a decision on this score alone and we would never invite anyone — parents, reporters, principals, teachers — to draw a conclusion based on this score alone.”

Chancellor Dennis M. Walcott also underscored the need to use the individual rankings cautiously.

“I don’t want our teachers disparaged in any way, and I don’t want our teachers denigrated based on this information,” Mr. Walcott said. “This is very rich data that has evolved over the years. As Shael has indicated, it is old data and it’s just one piece of information. And so I don’t want our teachers characterized in a certain way based on this very complex rich tool that we have available to us.”

Nevertheless, the data is ripe for analysis. One fact shared by the Education Department: Many of the teachers included in the database are no longer working in city schools.

Officials said 77 percent of the 18,000 who received reports were still employed by the Education Department, but of those who remained, many had moved on to administrative jobs or teach subject areas or grade levels that were not included in the reports.

For example, the teacher who was rated most highly, based on his scores for the 2009-10 school year, is now an assistant principal at another school, according to his online profile. His rating encompassed only one year of data and was based on 32 students’ test scores.

The data was handed to the news media on CDs, which contain spreadsheets listing teachers’ scores for the 2007-08, 2008-09 and 2009-10 school years. Roughly 12,000 teachers were given teacher data reports each year.

Charter school and special education teachers were not included; the city says it will likely release their rankings on Tuesday.

The teacher rankings began as a pilot program four years ago to improve instruction in 140 city schools. It has turned into the most controversial set of public school statistics to be released by the Bloomberg administration: individual rankings for roughly 18,000 math and English public school teachers from fourth through eighth grades.

The teachers have already seen their reports, which have been distributed for the past several years. But parents and the rest of the public can now learn how individual teachers performed, based on how they improved their students’ test scores, and with that they will begin the difficult and emotional reckoning of comparing what they personally know about a teacher to what a set of statistics tells them.

In the larger picture, the ratings could bolster or undermine a school’s reputation, and validate or discredit convictions long espoused by Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg, like his belief that small schools are better than large ones and that length of service is not necessarily a predictor of strong performance in the classroom.

The rankings, known as teacher data reports, are supposed to rate teachers across a performance scale. They are at the core of a national effort to assess, compensate and dismiss teachers based in part on their students’ test results.

In some school districts, the rankings have become an important component in decision-making about teachers. New York City principals have been using the rankings to help make tenure decisions. Houston gave bonuses based on rankings, though the district eventually restructured that program. In the Washington school district, poorly rated teachers have lost their jobs.

New York has become only the second city in the country where teachers’ names and ratings have been publicized. In 2010, The Los Angeles Times published its own set of ratings, in spite of fierce opposition from the local teachers’ union. Thousands of people flocked to the newspaper’s Web site to check the rankings, though, and Arne Duncan, the United States education secretary, praised the effort, saying, “silence is not an option.”

The rankings stem from a desire by policy makers to find an objective way to distinguish between effective and ineffective teachers, untainted by the subjective judgment of individual evaluators, like school principals.

Yet there is considerable uncertainty about the reliability of the data. That is one reason the public release of these scores — which will mark thousands of teachers with a label that they fear will become shorthand for their performance as a whole — is so controversial.

The rankings are also known as value-added assessments. In simple terms, value-added models use mathematical formulas to look at the past and forecast the future. A computer predicts how a group of students will do in next year’s tests using their scores from the previous year and accounting for several factors, like race, gender and income level. If the students surpass the expectations, their teacher is ranked at the top of the scale — “above average” or “high” under different models used in New York City. If they fall short, the teacher receives a rating of “below average” or “low.”

The rankings can be developed only in grades in which state exams are given, and leave out those who do not teach fourth through eighth graders and anyone who teaches a subject other than math, English or both subjects.

In New York City, a curve dictated that each year 50 percent of teachers were ranked “average,” 20 percent each “above average” and “below average,” and 5 percent each “high” and “low.” Teachers received separate reports for math and English. Principals also received a general report placing teachers’ names in a graphic according to their performance rankings.

Critics of the rankings point to their many deficiencies and caveats. One of them is that the higher teachers rank one year, the harder it is for them to sustain their high ranking by showing significant progress in students the next year.

The data are also more than a year old and based on test scores that have been somewhat discredited.

Critics also say there are aspects of a child’s life — or distractions on test day — that the numbers cannot capture: supportive parents, a talented principal, the help of a tutor, allergies or a relentlessly barking dog outside the classroom.

Students can also change classes during the year, and teachers who have them in their classroom for less than a full year can nevertheless be assessed on those students’ performances. Then there are schools where students are taught by multiple teachers, making it difficult to figure out the weight of their individual contributions.

Statisticians try to acknowledge these uncertainties by attributing wide margins of error to teachers’ scores — as much as 54 out of 100 points in the city. Still, they warned they can be only 95 percent sure a ranking is accurate.

The release of the individual rankings has even been controversial among the scientists who designed them. Douglas N. Harris, an economist at the University of Wisconsin, where the city’s rankings were developed, said the reports could be useful if combined with other information about teacher performance. But because value-added research is so new, he said, “we know very little about it.” Releasing the data to the public at this point, Dr. Harris added, “strikes me as at best unwise, at worst, absurd.”

And the United Federation of Teachers has pointed out numerous mistakes made by the city in individual rankings. In one case, a teacher received a ranking for a semester when she was on maternity leave. In other cases, teachers who taught English were ranked for teaching math.

At the briefing on Friday, Mr. Polakow-Suransky, the chief academic officer, said that last year the city created a Web site where teachers could verify that the reports contained information based on students and classes they actually taught. About 37 percent of teachers with reports entered the site and reviewed three years’ worth of class rosters. City officials said 3 percent of these teachers discovered that their reports were based on classes they never taught. And on average, one correction was made per report.

Most teachers who received reports did not try to correct them, and officials said it was possible that errors remained on their teacher data reports.

Officials also warned that because of the statistical model the city used, teachers’ scores were less reliable if they were assigned to schools where students were extremely high performing or low performing. Because the state’s math and English exams were designed to distinguish a proficient student from one below grade level, Mr. Polakow-Suransky said, they are too blunt a measure to track small amounts of progress made by students at the very ends of the spectrum.

In one example he gave, a teacher whose students score well above average on the state’s English test two years in a row but get a few more questions wrong the second year could see her value-added score drop by 50 percentage points.

The State Education Department is taking some of the report’s problems into account when designing its own value-added measurement, he said.

“We do know how to fix this, but these data reports and the models they use were created before that fix was identified,” he said.

In remarks leading up to the reports’ release, Mr. Walcott expressed concern that the individual rankings, once made public, would be used to highlight individual teachers and hold some up to ridicule or shame — a point also made by Bill Gates in an opinion article in The New York Times on Thursday.

But Mr. Walcott and his predecessor, Joel I. Klein, have defended the value of the ratings system, saying the data give administrators a more objective look at teacher performance — though the rankings are not meant to be used in isolation, but rather in combination with other kinds of evaluations, like principal observations, they have said.

In that way, the release of the rankings offers a peek at the future: under the agreement reached this month between the state, the city and the teachers’ unions, the state’s new evaluation system will base 20 percent of teachers’ ratings on the rise — or fall — of students’ test scores. And if teachers are ranked “ineffective” on that portion of their assessment, they must be rated “ineffective” over all.

The push to release the individual rankings began in August 2010, when New York City education officials contacted the reporters who most closely cover the city’s public schools and encouraged them to submit Freedom of Information Act requests for the teachers’ rankings. Until then, the city had refused to release the names with the rankings, citing issues of privacy.

On the eve of the rankings’ release, the teachers’ union filed a lawsuit. The city has acknowledged the reports are not perfect, but one of the judges who ruled on the case as it made its way to the state’s highest court said imperfection was no reason to hide them.

Last week, after the union lost its last appeal, the city announced the rankings’ release.

The teachers’ union president, Michael Mulgrew, said that teachers and parents “deserve more than judgments based on bad tests, incorrect data and flawed methodology.” The union has warned that the result will be sweeping, with good teachers steering clear of grades that have standardized tests, parents’ attempts to switch their children to other classrooms, low morale among teachers and worse.

Proponents, however, believe that even with all their flaws, the reports have value because they can highlight effective teachers and put poor teachers on notice.

SchoolBook plans to publish the ratings as soon as possible. Readers will be able to enter school names and teachers’ names into online databases to see how individual teachers scored.

SchoolBook intends to publish the rankings as part of a list of teachers at the affected city schools.

We have invited teachers to post responses to their own ratings, which we will publish alongside the rankings, and the teachers’ union has encouraged teachers to do so, “particularly if they contain significant errors.”

You can learn more about the rankings, as well as SchoolBook’s use of them, in our FAQ.

SchoolBook will post updates throughout the day with analysis of the overall data, focusing on, among other areas, differences among teachers in the best- and worst-performing schools, across experience levels and in various neighborhoods.

Anna M. Phillips of SchoolBook contributed reporting and writing. Beth Fertig of WNYC and Robert Gebeloff of The Times’s computer-assisted reporting group, contributed reporting.

Correction: An earlier version of this post included incorrect information about the percentage that state tests will contribute to teachers’ evaluations under the new state evaluation system agreed to earlier this month.

Fernanda Santos covers New York City public education for The New York Times. Follow her on Twitter @fernandaNYT. Sharon Otterman writes about education for The New York Times. Follow her on Twitter @sharonNYT.

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Matthew Troy-Regier February 24, 2012, 6:22 PM

Where is the journalistic integrity? What other statistic with a 35-53% margin of error be published in the NYTimes? Forget about whether or not these results should be released (which is a huge question that the courts seemed to decide), but putting a number that has a margin of error larger than the possible values is absolutely insane. Let alone reports of teachers being rated for students they don't have. The fact that these imprecise numbers are two years old AT BEST only shows that no good information will come from reading them.

This is like a sports reporter saying: We think the Cleveland Cavaliers are a great team because they were good in 2010 [the year the data is from], they had somewhere between 20 and 82 wins [the margin of error on writing scores from the result they actually had], and they have Dwayne Wade on their team with Lebron James [students that aren't actually in the class].

Any sports reporter saying that would be fired immediately. Yet it passes as good journalism in education. This is ridiculous and you should be ashamed.

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David Queens February 24, 2012, 7:56 PM

Yes, NY Times, why are your participating in this political farce? Just because the law allows you access to public documents through Freedom of Information laws, doesn't mean you have to print it... Sometimes you, as an institution that serves the public, must take a stand for ethical journalism.

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Lynn Kalinauskas February 24, 2012, 11:45 PM

Agreed.

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Chad Gleason February 25, 2012, 9:32 AM

At some point it would be nice to hear the NY Times and WNYC's justification for publishing data with a 53% margin of error.

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William Rushing February 25, 2012, 6:53 PM

Here is the only significant reply I could find in any of the posts on schoolbook:

http://www.nytimes.com/schoolbook/about/teacher-data-reports/

Why did SchoolBook decide to publish these evaluations?
The New York Times and WNYC, who jointly publish SchoolBook, believe that the public has the right to know how the Department of
Education is evaluating our teachers. Since the value-added
assessments were being used for tenure and other high-stakes
decisions, we sued for access to the reports. While we share some
critics’ concerns about the high margins of error and other flaws in
the system, we believe it is our responsibility to provide the
information, along with appropriate caveats and context, for readers
to evaluate.

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Bridget Elder February 24, 2012, 5:36 PM

This "data" is as reliable as the "data" used to persecute people during the Salem witch trials.

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Peter Geantil February 24, 2012, 6:45 PM

Well, I'm sure there are trends that can be gleaned from it that are important, but like they said, on a case by case basis, it's not really useful.

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Paola Sebastiani February 24, 2012, 8:57 PM

Although there are limitation, this data could make teachers more accountable and push those who do not perform to the best of their abilities to do better

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Ben Weiser February 24, 2012, 10:13 PM

holding individual teachers accountable to these ratings would be ridiculous- the data is not reliable enough. the test the students have been taking is believed to be predictable and is under revision currently. the people who were hired to assess teachers based on those scores said they designed a flawed system and recommended against releasing the ratings. and teachers have sometimes found they were rated based on classes or students they didn't even teach.

so why are we even talking about these teacher ratings? because some city school officials actually pushed reporters to file FOIA requests to get the teacher's individual ratings. i'm sure they knew the union would object. this story has basically nothing to do with student performance, its about city officials trying to make the teachers union look like they have something to hide, trying to weaken their position when they sit down to discuss the next contract. this story is garbage

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Dan Thompson February 24, 2012, 6:29 PM

No thoughtful educator has come to any conclusion other than the fact that this race to testing has narrowed curriculum, made a mockery of authentic teaching, and reduced the complexity of the teaching act to expedient test-prep. Shame on you New York Times for encouraging this witch hunt. Given the already deplorable working conditions of many schools, who would want to enter the profession now, other than those who can afford to get axed for invalid and unreliable evaluation procedures?

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Gen Berretta February 24, 2012, 10:22 PM

Thank you Dan Thompson. Testing has become an economy and since the rest of the economy is tanking it can't go anywhere but down the throats of children, parents and educators. As an educator I often say that I cannot tell a child what to be when they grow up but I can certainly tell them what not to be...a teacher. How sad is that and what happens to a nation that no longer has anyone willing to enter the profession. There is an ominous agenda at work and I am deeply saddened for the future of our children and this country.

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Roberto Allende February 24, 2012, 7:41 PM

In the 1940s, only half of all students finished high school, and the highest graduation rate we ever had was about 77 percent in the 1960s. The notion that public schools are doing a poor job is just another scam perpetrated by right-wing authoritarians and right-wing extremists on behalf of big business and corporations that simply do not want to pay Americans a livable wage.

The reason these right-wing policymakers are making it difficult for teachers to teach is because they are supposed to. Corporations want to deflect responsibility for our economic problems so it is in their interest to maintain the illusion that students are hopelessly undereducated and that the reason they can't hire Americans is because workers are unskilled and untrained.

If proponents want to rank teachers, let teachers interview and pick their students. I would love to see how well these advocates could run businesses if they had employees thrust upon them in the same manner that teachers are assigned students.

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Gen Berretta February 24, 2012, 11:20 PM

Amen Mr. Allende:
The notion that public schools are doing a poor job is just another scam perpetrated by right-wing authoritarians and right-wing extremists on behalf of big business and corporations that simply do not want to pay Americans a livable wage.

This is so true but I feel we are powerless and we are pawns in the rich man;s game yet again.

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John Elfrank-Dana February 25, 2012, 3:32 AM

Read The Manufactured Crisis. Nation at Risk was a FRAUD. It was a cold war document designed to create the perception of a crisis in public education. It was part of the Reagan agenda and neo-con quest for privatization of just about everything. Public schools are nerve endings of the community. If the community the school serves is in strife through poverty, so will the school.

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Andrew Grefig February 25, 2012, 8:53 AM

Right wing? Bloomberg had been a life-long Democrat until he changed parties briefly from 2001-07.
Extremist? Hardly. He's middle of the road at best, and you'd be hard pressed to show where his views are farther to the right than the national party.

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John Elfrank-Dana February 25, 2012, 3:51 PM

Good point Andrew. It's not right wing v left wing anymore. It's corporate v democratic. Liberals like Bloomberg and Obama are pro-corporate. We have a corporate state/ plutocracy. The Cold War is over! Democratic schools are the enemy. Public education must resemble corporations; ever hear of Mayoral Control? Even the UFT backs this and runs itself like a corporation. This testing data release was a bit of blowback for the UFT from playing nice with Klein.

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José Manuel Martín-Nieto February 24, 2012, 5:25 PM

I wonder if there is any way to relate the performance of the teachers with the socioeconomic of the location of the schools they work for. It is easy to be a teacher in a rich neighborhood.

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Charlie Kim February 24, 2012, 7:51 PM

It's not "easier" to be a teacher in a rich neighborhood. My wife is a teacher in a "rich" neighborhood. The kids are spoiled and don't listen. The moms are too involved. She was a student teacher at a inner city school and the kids paid attention and listened more.

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Eliana Halpern February 24, 2012, 8:33 PM

Socioeconomic status my not necessarily be a predictor of "ease" of instruction, but statistically speaking it is a predictor of higher test scores for a myriad of reason: access to extra resources, such as tutors, better facilities, etc.

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Ben Weiser February 24, 2012, 10:00 PM

the rating system is meant to work this way: if a teacher consistently raises students scores from terrible to just bad, they would actually get a high rating, while a teacher who consistently lowers students scores from amazing to just good would get a low rating. also, the people who designed these algorithms for rating teachers think the data is crap and didn't want it released to the public.

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Dave Morris February 24, 2012, 10:09 PM

Eliana you enumerate many reasons for poor performance but fail to mention the most important which is the culture the child is from and the emphasis of education in the home. Tutors are a minor factor.

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Arnaud Dion February 24, 2012, 10:46 PM

@Charlie Kim

You're getting to this conclusion with a dataset comprising of exactly two people. I am pretty confident that, on average, it's harder to teach in a disadvantaged Baltimore neighborhood than it is to teach in a plush Connecticut suburb.

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Ben Weiser February 25, 2012, 1:43 AM

"culture", eh?

if the "culture" a student comes from can't afford college, then the children in that "culture" might not see much point in graduating with an A+ average instead of a D-. really, who else looks at a high school transcript?

if the student's "culture" is working hard long hours for low wages to make ends meet, that might leave this "culture" with very little time and energy to focus on their children.

if the enslavement, lynching, and ghettoization of your "culture" is glossed over in the history books, and the way your "culture" talks is not respected in the classroom, then perhaps your "culture" won't be as engaged at school.

really, if every student had straight A's, would they all grow up to be rich? even if every american had a PHD, someone would still have to clean the toilets, flip the burgers & pick the fruit. until we acknowledge that, we are spinning our wheels

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Kevin Coryell February 25, 2012, 2:36 AM

@Arnaud Dion

And what is your "dataset"?

I've taught students from a wide variety of social backgrounds and based on my personal experience I tend to agree with Mr. Kim. The combination of extreme wealth, arrogance, and lawyers can be nasty.

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Michael Devine February 24, 2012, 7:20 PM

Dear Anonymous,

Please hack into the leading investment banks' HR systems and release to the web all of their employees' performance reviews going back to 2007. If time permits, do the same for Bloomberg L.P.

Thank you.

The Public

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Tom Haslow February 24, 2012, 6:32 PM

What's a little disturbing is the quote “The purpose of these reports is not to look at any individual score in isolation ever... no principal would ever make a decision on this score alone and we would never invite anyone, parents, reporters, principals, teachers, to draw a conclusion based on this score alone.”

So it seems a giant mistake to release these numbers without context. This is the single biggest, quantifiable metric there is. in fact there is little else to get perspective on a teacher's performance outside of this single metric.

Do they really expect people to NOT look at this number as the single most important number? Yikes

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Patricia Patterson February 24, 2012, 6:08 PM

So how will they factor in elements like half the class decamping to the Dominican Republic for a few months and then returning just in time for the state tests or how many children have no place to do homework in the shelter or whether or not anyone is eating breakfast or how often a family moved in a given school year or who has a learning disability but doesn't have parents who can negotiate the system to get them classified? Why do we expect teachers to compensate for all this? We don't expect heart surgeons to compensate for heart disease. We don't expect electricians to compensate for old wiring. We don't expect lawyers to compensate for crime.

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Jack Ingoldsby February 24, 2012, 6:29 PM

Well, yeah. But we do expect heart surgeons to be accountable for screwing up a surgery due to inattention, electricians for installing faulty wiring, lawyers for incompetence.
I think this is step towards holding teachers to the same standards

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Melinda Watters February 24, 2012, 7:37 PM

So are they also going to start publishing surgical records of surgeons and records of lawyers practices.

Of course there needs to be accountability for teachers, but publicizing this type of data which has so many variables is absurd.

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Patricia Patterson February 24, 2012, 7:40 PM

Not quite the same. We aren't holding the surgeon accountable for everything that happened before the patient entered the operating room. I believe in accountability, but these tests are not the way. And releasing data like this? Ah, just one more intimidation tactic.

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Artie Schwartz February 24, 2012, 8:21 PM

No Jack, we do not hold surgeons responsible for a patient's health IF that patient comes in with 95% blockage, the patient has never seen a doctor, the patient refuses to take his medication and continues to eat a high fat diet.

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Artie Schwartz February 24, 2012, 8:28 PM

How do you teach a kid who goes back to "his country" For 6 weeks? That is a common occurrence.

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Sherman Sondell February 25, 2012, 7:09 PM

I assume that the value added system calculates the expected scores for students at a given school, then sees whether the teacher is surpassing those expectations on the tests. If a school consistently has students who go back to the DR and don't get fed breakfast, then the expected scores will be much lower, and the teacher will be graded on a much more forgiving curve. It seems like you don't really have any idea what you're talking about. But keep on having feelings, you're entitled to them.

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Bridget Elder February 26, 2012, 2:24 PM

An assumption, is certainly not the same thing as a fact. You may assume all you like about value added systems, but I will say, based on first hand experience, that these scores are nothing but a load horse manure.

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Noah Fischer February 24, 2012, 11:29 PM

The evil genius of these rankings is that no matter how flawed they are, they will likely stick. And they will frame the spiraling debate about education going forward. It's hard not to walk into this tantalizing trap, as the New York Times just did. This article points out in so many ways how the data is out of date and highly inaccurate. Individual teachers have been given a chance to do the same, and are pointing out the haphazard quality of the rankings in concrete examples. Yet, we lose the point by being sucked into the actual numbers. We all know that in reality, having a "below average" tag permanently and publicly placed next to your name makes you a target for anyone wanting to do harm to an individual teacher or an entire school. Or anyone wishing to dismantle an entire public education system. This test is a very smart move for those wishing to smash apart the public schools for eventual enormous profits, but it's going to make this city, and America, stupider.

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David Queens February 24, 2012, 7:51 PM

Fascinating to watch so many parties involved in this issue--the mayor, Chancellor Walcott, and the NY Times--take absolutely no responsibility for the mess that they are creating in this issue. All seem to be saying that the so-called "data" is deeply flawed, but seem to be powerless to now change course and not release them for the public to see.

Also, why is the NY Times and WNYC requiring me to log in to Facebook to post this commment? I don't use my real name for my Facebook as I am concerned about Facebook and my privacy. I'm clearly not the only person with this concern. NY Times seems to be dropping the ball in understanding where it fits in NYC politics (i.e. our mayor's agenda regarding education) and in the digital culture.

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Andrew White February 24, 2012, 10:51 PM

I'm generally a fan of Schoolbook and the NY Times. But facilitating the release of these data is a huge blunder. We were trained as journalists to always test the validity of our sources and to not use material if its only value is that it is exciting or sexy. As your own reporter notes, even the creators of these metrics question their validity as freestanding indicators of teacher quality. Many other statisticians note huge limitations to these numbers and point out that their value is found only in combination with other, substantial qualitative data. What more evidence could you possibly need that you are pursuing a fool's errand by publishing this material?

Sorry, but the Times' editors have made a major mistake here. Just read many of the comments by people on this page who think publicizing these numbers represents a huge step forward in holding teachers accountable, and who are cavalierly ignoring the caveats in your articles. Unfortunately the Times' poor judgment may undermine honest, more effective and less inflammatory efforts to strengthen teacher quality.

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Matt Donahue February 24, 2012, 5:10 PM

if the students are judged on their test scores and that will decide what college and what majors they qualify for why can teachers be held to the same standard that their system holds the students to this is just another way teacher unions keep terrible teachers in place so they can continue to collect those dues the only people that suffer from school reform are the students

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Brent Nycz February 24, 2012, 5:35 PM

Sure, Matt. Just let me see all your high school standardized test scores, your SAT scores and ACT scores if you have them, your majors and your GPA for the classes in your majors, and what colleges you were accepted to and rejected from.

In addition, let me put all those scores and create a formula with numerous variables determining your worth as a student that has a 35% to 65% margin of error within three years. This formula could consider you a fantastic student in 11th grade, but a terrible student in 12th grade, though your test scores are still around the same ballpark.

In fact, let's take all those scores and put them in the Post, the Daily News, and the NY Times as well as online so that anyone who wants to view your scores (as flawed as they may be) can see them and judge your work as a student and your overall worth solely on a flawed and broken measurement.

This isn't an union issue. This isn't even a teacher vs. reformer issue (as Walcott, Gates, and Kopp all came out AGAINST the release of these TDRs as well as the union). This is a matter of putting out scores that many (from all walks of the education date) have come out to state how flawed the measurement is and numerous reasons why they shouldn't be individually posted... and yet, newspapers like the Times are still reporting that data.

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Ari Raucher February 24, 2012, 5:36 PM

Mr. Donahue:

Teacher unions do not oppose the use of more advanced evaluations to determine effectiveness of individual teachers and prescriptions for better teaching. They are opposed to the publication of inaccurate (many of these reports are flawed) and irrelevant data (many of these reports are several years old).

Furthermore, individual student records are private. No school district publishes the individual records of a student for public consumption. While test scores are one aspect of a student's college application, multiple factors are used in order to provide a holistic view of the student (including class grades, community service, essays, etc.)

Lastly, there are good and bad teachers, just as there are good and bad doctors, good and bad plumbers, good and bad politicians, etc. All unions seek to protect the due process rights of individuals under their purview. As evidenced by problems with these teacher reports, everyone must be protected from the use and publication of inaccurate data against them that serves as the primary testimony to their quality.

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Ken Lumberg February 24, 2012, 5:50 PM

Judging students and/or teacher by test scores in reading and math is severely flawed. Is the purpose of education to produce graduates who can pass standardized tests or to produce productive citizens? In this environment, why would teachers elect to teach reading or math at all? Why not pick a subject like social studies or science? It is well known that there is a racially and economically based educational achievement gap. If your performance as a math or English teacher is based solely on standardized test scores, why would you teach in a school with predominately poor students or a school with predominately students of color? This type of performance assessment can only serve to further disadvantage the students most at risk.

Your comment that, "teacher unions keep terrible teachers in place so they can continue to collect those dues", doesn't make sense. Good teachers and terrible teachers pay the same amount of dues. When bad teachers are fired, they are replaced by another teacher resulting in no net dues loss to the union. Teachers unions provide ongoing education and support for teachers to help them adapt to the changing educational environment. They do not want terrible teachers in the classroom. If the administrators do their job as supervisors and identify, observe, and document the behavior of "terrible teachers", those teachers either have to turn around their practice or they are fired or forced to resign their position. This happens to tenured as well as non-tenured teachers.

Here in Minnesota, the tenure process is a three year process during which time the teacher can be fired for any reason. Once tenure is granted the teacher has more contractual protection from termination but can be fired outright for egregious behavior. Teaching is like many jobs both union and non-union. Most companies have a disciplinary process intended to give both sided a relatively fair shake. It costs money to hire and train new people and consistency in the workplace improves overall efficiency. I'm sure you've worked somewhere where you get written up for being late or whatever and if you are written up so many times over such and such period of time, you get fired. This is the same principal. Constantly changing curriculum and standards as well as the workload of grading papers, lesson planning, parent communication, buying materials etc. can make it difficult for a teacher to keep up at times and practice can suffer. Isn't it better in these instances for the administrator to identify issues as soon as possible and address them to see if the teacher's practice can be brought in line with present expectations than to disrupt continuity in the classroom, fire the teacher and bring in a new teacher mid-year? What would it like to work in an environment where your entire job depends on one test which is not taken by you but by those whom you are trying to help pass the test? What if everything was going well for the four years you work at a school with your test scores among the top and then your school is closed and you are transferred to a less affluent school with 95% ESL students as an English teacher and your students' test scores plummet? As with any human interaction, none of this is nearly as simple as you suggest.

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Rebecca Grimes February 24, 2012, 5:54 PM

Mr. Donahue,
Here's the difference: Students are being judged on their achievement - something they can control; teachers are being judged based on students' success on tests. Teachers are a part of that success, but there are so many other factors in play that are not accounted for - that are beyond a teachers control.

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David Mebane February 25, 2012, 1:02 AM

Aside from all that, I think that in a forum on education, you should be required to use punctuation, as well as justify the nonsensical conclusion to your argument.

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Steve Kass February 24, 2012, 5:25 PM

In the article, "the bottom fifth percentile" is a typo. Should it say "bottom fifth," "bottom five percent," or something else? The fifth percentile in a distribution of scores is a number, and there is no bottom one.

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Rudy Kipper February 24, 2012, 6:21 PM

Wait a minute; new dress codes are now requiring teachers in the bottom third to wear a B " so that everyone knows they are a "bad" teacher". They must be purchased through a a private company which funds political contributions and regents' families. The letters must be repruchased every year. Rumor has it that all teachers will be required to wear appropriate letters (only $19.99) starting 2013.
WHy does this sound familiar?

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Wally Hays February 24, 2012, 6:38 PM

I understand the stance that teachers unions have taken regarding testing, it is in a union's best interest and part of its charter to protect its members. I also understand that broad standarized tests are poor indicators of intelligence, teaching ability, or learning potential due to the seemingly infinite amount of variables that dictate a child's score on such a test--what the student had for breakfast can be a huge factor let alone maturity level, socioeconomics, home stability, etc..

While I understand that the current system is flawed, I think it is up to the teachers unions to lead the way in reforming it. As much as I would be irked to see my job ratings posted online--even if they were at the top--the teachers unions might have been better suited had they been working to produce a viable alternative.

Now I am not putting the blame on the unions for the current situation or for not having a solution, quite the opposite. Elected members of local, state, and federal governments are the ones who have been entrusted with solving these difficult issues. However, if you look at the lack of ingenuity, functional cohesiveness, and follow through that is exemplified on all levels of our government, it is becoming clear to me that some of the best resolutions might come from the teachers union. While politicians know relatively little about classroom education, I would hope that teachers know what does and what does not work from class to class and student to student. By having a productive conversation about the wide variety of issues that a good teacher must address in order to reach his or her students, the unions can lay down the frame work for a better system of evaluation.

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Ben Weiser February 25, 2012, 2:01 AM

in this climate, i'm sure we will never see the average teacher's views represented unless they are rebutting an attack. the story is never "what is needed to improve education?" its always "how do we hold teachers accountable?" maybe the administrators are hindering the teachers not helping, or the classes have too many students for even the best teachers to keep track of, or there aren't enough peripheral services for students who are struggling with learning disabilities/poverty/abuse/neglect/etc. how does all that fit into the story when the big question is always
how best to blame the teachers? sure we need to identify "bad teachers" and hold them accountable, but many principals already observe teachers in the classroom. who really stands to gain anything from all this standardized testing, aside from the companies making the punch cards?

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Herb Michael February 24, 2012, 8:42 PM

As a teacher of 14 years I would like to point out the absurdity of making standardized tests the measure of teaching performance. Last year I taught at a school in Brooklyn and had two advanced placement classes in History as well as an honors economics class. My tenth grade students took the global regents exam and had a 94% passing rate.

I was Excessed in June and became a member of the Absent Teachers Reserve (the much maligned ATR pool). Throughout the summer and fall I searched for a new position and was unable to secure one. Finally, in mid-November, an opening occurred. An excellent teacher, burned out by the new tenuring process, resigned. I took the job.

I am now teaching two classes of students who are repeating global history in the hopes of passing the Regents exam. Some of them are taking the exam the second and even third time. While I hope that through their hard work and mine many will pass in June, their reading skills will make that very difficult. Am I a teacher with deteriorating ability when my passing rates decline? Or am I a victim, like my students, of a poorly funded and designed school system courtesy of the Mayor and the DOE?

Think about it, many of my students began their education as the Mayor gained control of the system and began his attack on teachers, parental input and the mostly working class children of color in New York. All of the statistics cited for progress under his authority have proven illusory at best. Class sizes have risen, veteran teachers like myself have been driven out and teaching to the test has taken precedence over actual learning.

How to improve New York's schools? First, immediately stop the assault on teachers, their pensions and their working conditions. Second, use New York City's extremely successful private schools as a model. Yes, the schools that cost $40,000 a year -- the ones our business leaders and politicians make use of for their children -- make a good model for successful schools. Halve public schools class sizes, give students soft cover texts they can make notes in, give teachers more time to grade student work, and assign them fewer classes to teach each day. (In my current job I teach 3 different classes every day and have one preparation period. That's the equivalent of about 15 minutes each day per class to read student work, grade it and prepare for the following day's lesson.) If the 1% wanted to improve the education of our children that is what they'd do.

End the assault on teachers and stop blaming us for the failing education system a sinking U.S. economy creates . It is capitalism that has created the poverty, social dislocation, and increasing need for social services for families of students in NYC public schools. The assault on teachers is part of a general class war against the children we teach, the parents who ask for our help and working class people in general. Try an experiment: take NYC's poorest children (one third of our children in NYC fall below the poverty level); take NYC's best private school and, without changing a thing (except improving the social services support), make it a public school. Enroll those children and monitor student success. What a difference that would make!

Bringing an end to the poverty caused by our economic system will improve our schools, ultimately, nothing less will make much difference.

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Chad Gleason February 24, 2012, 9:03 PM

Today is a sad day for the NY Times and their writers. Has the NY Times ever published data attached to people's names that has a 53% margin of error? Should we assume that all NY Times articles have a 53% margin of error?

Publishing this data represents something other than the credibility readers expect from the NY Times.

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Daniel Mitchell February 24, 2012, 9:12 PM

Please publish the performance appraisals of New York Times employees. That way, you can show you disagree with Bill Gates' op ed where he pointed out that private firms would not consider publishing employee ratings. You won't need a court decision since you already have the information in your personnel records. Thanks.

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Logan Parker February 24, 2012, 9:38 PM

So, Mr. Michael, why is it that employees in every other profession can be assessed (and terminated if they do not achieve their goals) and teachers are immune from such tools? It defies reason that teaching is so different as to be treated in this manner (and having taught for five years on the university level, I'm qualified to have an opinion on this). The teachers' unions have fought efforts to evaluate teachers or when such systems have been implemented, they've tried to make them toothless. Sure, testing is imperfect, but all sides need to move to a more perfect solution. At some point the public is going to realize that the unions are more interested in teachers than students, and the whole world will invert. It's laughable that teachers are so hard to fire -- tenure is a completely anachronistic concept and should be abolished.

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Michael Shirley February 25, 2012, 3:12 AM

Teachers are regularly assessed; what is at issue here is the ridiculously bad assessment that is being published by what is now a joke of a newspaper. In addition, unions are quite happy to work with school districts to implement good assessment programs, but assessment is much harder in teaching than it is in other professions. Further, tenure is merely the guarantee of due process that is contractually agreed upon by the teachers union and the school board. Teachers are only hard to fire if the principal is inept and the contract is too one sided. If you don't like it, run for your local school board. Finally, teaching at the university level does not qualify you to comment on teaching elementary or high school.

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John Elfrank-Dana February 25, 2012, 4:01 AM

You are wrong Logan. You obviously haven't worked in schools very long or at all. I have seen dozens of teachers quit or lose their jobs. First is the self-firing by over half of new teachers in five years. Many were good teachers. But, if lazy administrators don't want to use what powers they do have to get rid of bad teachers, and they have them, it's not on the teachers unions.

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Samir Mondle February 24, 2012, 11:18 PM

Why was this child-birth of a report, ample with mistakes, inconsistencies, errors in criteria, miscalculations, and so on, not aborted? Instead it gets released, for scrutiny which will inevitably result in one erroneous analysis after another; that too to the media?
The governance of our schools lack wisdom and philosophical depth. Education must have a philosophical perspective. This is not philosophy; this is not even fact.
An injunction ought to have been allowed to stop the release of this very damaging data, lacking intelligence with far reaching devastating consequences. Rating students is one thing, though inaccurate but tolerable; but rating teachers is quite another. Evaluation of performance of teachers must be based only on a one-to-one basis, by a competent mentor of the teacher who has first hand understanding of his or her effort and efficacy. The system has reduced this business of evaluation to farce. If it is worth my two pence, I am sadly dissapointed. My heart goes out to the teachers.

Truly,

Samir, NY

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William Rushing February 25, 2012, 12:16 AM

I just looked at the data from a school with which I am familiar, and there's another factor that needs to be added to the pile of reasons why the data is flawed - tracking. If one teacher gets many or all of the higher performing students, that teacher will receive a higher rating, Conversely, another teacher, who receives a cohort of students that performs lower than average, will be penalized. So working to help under-performing students will hurt your 'value-added'rating.

Where's the value in that?

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Michael Ferruso February 25, 2012, 2:46 AM

Mr. Smith you must mean mean your tax dollars pay teachers salaries. But union dues come out of teachers salaries and a teacher can opt out if they so choose, but would lose the benefit of representation they receive. I'm sorry your bitter, but this isn't the suburbs. No NYC teacher is padding their "nests" off their salaries. Teachers and administrators all want the same thing which is success for all students. Data and standardized testing do not paint a complete picture of education. No teacher is afraid of data, but its when the story of the individual student is not taken into account when evaluating the quality of a person is when people should be concerned.

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Peter Shea February 25, 2012, 2:23 PM

I must be misunderstanding the math here. In one place in the article it says that no teacher should be evaluated soley on a single score. In other words a teacher should not be deemed ineffective based on these rankings alone. Yet within the article it says, "the state’s new evaluation system will base 20 percent of teachers’ ratings on the rise — or fall — of students’ test scores. And if teachers are ranked “ineffective” on that portion of their assessment, they must be rated “ineffective” over all."

Ok, that's not 20%. If that 20% innefective rating demands an overall ineffective designation, its not 20% its 100%. You can just skip all the rest, right?

I must be misunderstanding the math here. Or someone else is...and this is preposterous, hypocritical and all the rest...

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Susan Grandfield February 25, 2012, 5:36 PM

As a California teacher, I watched in horror as the LA Times posted teachers' names connected with inaccurate and misleading results. I thought the New York Times had more integrity. Apparently not. I plan to cancel my subscription to the NY Times.

As a teacher, I have taught every level of student from remedial to honors. Don't the teacher's "results" have everything to do with the student population being tested? So much is beyond our control--students mainstreamed with learning or emotional difficulties, class sizes (it makes a difference in giving individual attention!), lack of materials and books. And the public seems never to question the validity or accuracy of the tests themselves.

So publishing names of teachers (mostly women!)does seem to resemble a witch hunt, a classic witch hunt against those without the money or power to fight back. As I read the news, I observe so many attacks against women in this country, attacks that result, as is so often the case, in difficulties for children. What is going to happen Monday morning when teachers are just a bit more demoralized, when parents come in an want to talk about these ratings, when staff meetings must be held to explain? Teachers' attention which should be on the children, still just as needy on Monday,will be once again taken up by meaningless noise. As for myself, once I have canceled my NY Times subscription, I will take out my folder of essays and continue grading because the students still deserve my attention and this negative attack does not.

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Ashley Cyr February 24, 2012, 6:20 PM

A joint committee public hearing that took place in February 2012 in Wisconsin, proposed a bill that involves this very subject. The senate bill 461 and assembly bill 558 looks at requiring a screener for 5k and possibly 4k students assessing any needs they may need in regards to reading. The bill also proposes rating teacher effectiveness in terms of student outcomes and teacher practices. The bill proposes not just looking at student test scores, but also growth of the child’s abilities. It was stated that they wanted to measure the teachers effectiveness to teach, not the child’s ability to learn. Sandra Stetsky of the University of Arkansas and an education department coordinator from UW- Whitewater were among those from the public who spoke on this issue. They brought up some valid points on needing to create a better way to measure teacher effectiveness. Test scores only show a small part how effective teachers are. It was also discussed that budget cuts have decreased the number of staff in schools and increased the class size, thus making it more difficult to provide extra support to students who need it. I think the public should be aware of how students are learning. However, I think it was unethical for those scores to be posted without ensuring it is an effective way to measure teacher effectiveness. Teachers may face negative encounters or be targeted by the public all based on a measure that has not been developed properly. There is such a push for evidence based practice however,the measure being used does not follow this. This just raises further questions about the injustice to the teachers of posting these scores.

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Alan Brown February 24, 2012, 7:39 PM

So the people responsible for grading the kids don't want to be graded. If something is inherently wrong with grading, why are you doing it, teachers?

The facts are that everyone else in the world has their performance evaluated at work. And people that don't perform out in the real world don't keep getting paid.

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Dorick Lee February 24, 2012, 8:22 PM

Teachers, just like most professionals, certainly want to be graded. It is just one of the ways that we are able to objectify our performance and improve. And you are certainly correct that everyone else is evaluated, as they should be.

But why make this information public? If I conference with a principal about my rating, we generally have a valuable discussion about what I can improve upon. Where is that discussion going to be when there is a number attached to my name and it is listed publicly.

Are random people now going to be calling me up with advise?

Are parents who look my information up going to somehow help me perform better?

I think brandishing these scores publicly is simply irresponsible.

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William Rushing February 24, 2012, 10:13 PM

You're right Alan. Everyone else does get evaluated at work. It seems odd though that you've missed the salient point - most people don't have those evaluations published by the New York Times.

People who choose to live a public life- entertainers, politicians, etc. have the measurements of their performance held up for public inspection. But teachers have not chosen to live in the public spotlight. They have chosen to work for the betterment of society, for comparatively low wages, and with an increasingly hostile public determined to cast blame for the many failures of our society upon them. And it is this group of hardworking men and women who have been targeted with flawed data.

So Alan, with a margin of error of 30%-50%, would you care to post your most recent performance evaluation here, in this public forum?

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Bridget Elder February 24, 2012, 7:45 PM

Two wrongs don't make a right.

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Bridget Elder February 24, 2012, 8:23 PM

(That was meant to be a response to Myles Miller's comment. The PEP policies as they exist under mayoral control don't give anyone a say but the mayor. Charter school teacher TDRs are not being published despite the fact that they receive our tax dollars, this will create an even more skewed opinion against public school teachers. I happen to agree with you that students ought to have a voice and that there are many inequities imposed upon public school communities; what I don't understand is why you would think that punitive measures derived from inherently flawed data will do anything except give angry people a hollow revenge. It certainly won't help solve our societal problems.

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Ann Strong February 24, 2012, 7:47 PM

Certainly there are a lot of barriers, especially with poor kids, but the reality is, some teachers do way better than others teaching this same type of 'difficult' kids. Transparency is necessary to improve and if there are some teachers that are constantly ineffective then they should be removed. I work in medicine and I am compared against my partners and other clinics regarding how well we are doing taking care of our patients with diabetes. This information is available for all to see so patients can make choices. Yes, there are patients who will never do everything that you ask of them, but there is so much room for improvement with the large majority of them! And since these numbers have been public, it has been a priority to work on this and as a result, the numbers have improved significantly. The result is better patient care. Or children deserve the same.

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John Elfrank-Dana February 25, 2012, 3:29 AM

That's great Ann. Tell us, where can we find the information on your performance? Can you send us a link?

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John Elfrank-Dana February 25, 2012, 3:29 AM

That's great Ann. Tell us, where can we find the information on your performance? Can you send us a link?

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Ann Strong February 24, 2012, 8:24 PM

Transparency will improve outcomes. I have seen this happen in my field of medicine where I as a physician assistant in primary care, am ranked among my collegues and providers at other clinics in how well we are taking care of our diabetic patients. We were all nervous when this started, not thinking that it was fair to be judged when we don't control who does and doesn't take their meds or show up for appointments. The system isn't perfect, but it has meant that our clinic has made diabetes care a priority and because no one wants their name to be on the bottom, we are paying more attention, too. As a results, our numbers have all significantly improved over the last several years and as a result, our patients are healthier.
There will always be barriers (excuses) about why some kids will score poorly on exams, but it's not fair to our kids to use this as an excuse. Some teachers will do way better than others with this same pool of kids. Let the excellent teachers rise to the top and be recognized and let the poor teachers shape up or find a new career.

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Chad Gleason February 24, 2012, 8:42 PM

Where are your scores published?

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LuciAnn Brundage February 24, 2012, 10:22 PM

Transparency only improves outcomes where (a) improving outcomes is the goal, and (b) the data being made transparent is accurate, valid, and reliable. These scores are none of the above. They are neither indications of whether teachers can teach nor whether students can learn. They are indications of whether students can test well. What about this process will improve that?

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James Hinton February 24, 2012, 8:36 PM

A move in the right direction.

An important component is missing: (1) Evaluate the directors, principals, and other administrators BEHIND the schools as well.

No performance evaluation is complete without an overview of how well the administrators perform. And often, you will see the problems in teaching lie with management.

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Francis Ziegler February 24, 2012, 10:59 PM

Why stop there? Why not evaluate the performance of parents, politicians, and everyone Earth that might have some bearing on a child's life?

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Glenda Puett February 24, 2012, 9:07 PM

My question is....why publish the rankings? Just because "you can" does not mean that "you should". If answering the question "will this information help or hurt" would define ethical, publishing makes the NY Times unethical. I am dropping my subscription and I don't live in NY.

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Mle Davis February 24, 2012, 9:52 PM

I'm in my 9th year of teaching ESL, and my 4th in the DOE. Since coming to New York I've taught in jail, at a failing-and-soon-to-be-closed high school, and in a GED program. I find both meaningful connections and great rewards in working with older students who have had a difficult time connecting to school in the past, and every time I get to expose them to new ways of thinking or build their self confidence in academics I think how lucky I am to have this job. I love working with the most at-risk populations, because I get to see minds blown and incredible transformations, and when they connect to a piece of literature for the first time, I know what a difference I'm making.

These are the kids who don't test well. These are the kids who wind up being funneled into schools *for* students who don't test well, which will be the schools they close tomorrow - because too many kids didn't test well, so the teachers must be abysmal. And so I'll go to another failing school, and another failing school, and the city will publish my students' test scores as proof of how terrible I am.

I choose to work with 18 and 19 year old students who show up in front of me illiterate or with a 3rd grade reading level. I won't be judged by the percentage who pass tests. I'm judged every day by my students.

Thank god I'm unmarried and have no children or commitments to New York City. Kick me in the face a few more times, and I'll go. I just wonder about who will be motivated to go into this abusive profession and work with my exact population of students when I'm gone.

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Rosemarie DiMatteo February 24, 2012, 10:09 PM

I did student teaching and subsequent per diem teaching in the Rochester (New York) City School District in 1990. Kodak was already sliding into the toilet. Many students never came to class. There were equal parts anger and apathy in the schools and I vividly remember being told "You have to do more with less." As time went on, there was always less, never more. Now that I'm in Los Angeles, I can't help feeling angry about how young people have been so short-changed, just because their neighborhoods are poor. Blaming teachers is just such a facile path for politicians. Such a smoke screen. Get a clue, America: when students are hungry, depressed, angry, without hope, they can NOT concentrate on course work. This is all so transparent it makes me sick.

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Michael Thorson February 24, 2012, 10:25 PM

I applaud the effort to bring some transparency into how our teachers are performing.

Obviously, this is not an easy, or uncontroversial, job given the multitude of tasks we ask our teachers to perform, and such performance is difficult to crystallize into one number based on standardized tests. But should that stop us from trying at all? Why can't we use this as a starting point and then slowly evolve the process to encompass more data points into a comprehensive evaluation of all the areas we care about our teachers excelling in? Why wouldn't teachers be eager to get involved in this process?

Look at it from the perspective of the taxpayer: why shouldn't they have the right to know how well their taxes are being spent? You can argue all day about how good the evaluation process is, but to argue for teachers to be exempt from job performance evaluation because it's just too hard to get it right is disingenuous. If every private corporation has figured out some way to evaluate its personnel, then surely there are smart people out there who can come up with good ways to evaluate teachers.

Most of us can point to a small group of teachers who were influential in our lives, and instrumental in our successes. In any given school pretty much everyone--students, parents, other teachers--knows who they are. But, we can also readily recall another group who were overwhelmingly considered poor teachers, and yet, they never seemed to be replaced. Surely we can devise a means to measure what we all seem to readily agree upon from simple observation?

Personal accountability and responsibility are virtues our society is moving further and further away from, and that sad fact manifests itself across our culture and lives. It's time to stop.

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Chad Gleason February 27, 2012, 1:47 AM

I agree that Value Added data should be part of a teacher's evaluation. In fact that is precisely what the UFT agreed to in new teacher evaluations.

The problem however is publishing one piece of an individual's evaluation in a newspaper. It makes it seem as though that one number is everything.

I'm also a little concerned that teachers are being singled out for this type of public scrutiny.

We don't have access to the number of civilian complaints each police officer received or the post surgical complication rates for doctors at public hospitals.

Tax dollars don't only pay for public servants either. Shouldn't tax payers contributions to the TARP program allow them to see bonuses that executives at the banks are receiving? Do the government subsidies and contracts with oil companies and military contractors entitle us to access to their employee performance data?

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Gerald Jay February 24, 2012, 10:28 PM

If the students do not learn because the teacher is not doing a good job it is the responsibility of the department chairman to teach the teacher how to teach . If the chairman does not teach the teacher the Princable should teach the chairman how to teach the teachers. It all ends up at the door of the administration. Good administration makes good schools To improve our schools start at the top.

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Lori Becker February 24, 2012, 10:29 PM

I find it hilarious that people make comments comparing the level of accountability a teacher has to that of a heart surgeon - a heart surgeon is paid ten times as much as a teacher, and the measures of accountability for a heart surgeon are much more concrete. Scenarios like this one make me question why I chose the teaching profession - we are put under a microscope and often unfairly judged because our meager salaries come from taxpayer dollars. If some teachers are higher on the totem pole than others and get all of the "good" classes of students who are motivated to learn, they are likely to score higher with this ranking system than a teacher who struggles daily to push underachieving students from disadvantaged backgrounds to learn. It is completely ridiculous and unfair to judge teachers solely based upon test scores -- classes are not equally distributed -- some teachers get all of the honors students and some get all of the students who pose a multitude of behavioral and emotional challenges, not to mention the socio-economic differences that exist from one district to the next. Teachers should be evaluated on additional qualitative criteria, not just test scores. People who bash teachers are just plain ignorant - we're certainly not in it for the money!

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Mark Phillips February 24, 2012, 11:04 PM

I think this is a superb model that should also be used for all public officials, certainly for congress and the police, as well as for lawyers, doctors, priests and rabbis. I'm particularly looking forward to the release of performance data for N.Y. lawyers. I think the death rate for the patients of all doctors should be released.

This is all out of some nightmarish Lewis Carroll scenario. Or maybe I have the wrong author...Kafka?

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Samir Mondle February 24, 2012, 11:13 PM

Why was this child-birth of a report, ample with mistakes, inconsistencies, errors in criteria, miscalculations, and so on, not aborted? Instead it gets released, for scrutiny which will inevitably result in one erroneous analysis after another; that too to the media?
The governance of our schools lack wisdom and philosophical depth. Education must have a philosophical perspective. This is not philosophy; this is not even fact.
An injunction ought to have been allowed to stop the release of this very damaging data, lacking intelligence with far reaching devastating consequences. Rating students is one thing, though inaccurate but tolerable; but rating teachers is quite another. Evaluation of performance of teachers must be based only on a one-to-one basis, by a competent mentor of the teacher who has first hand understanding of his or her effort and efficacy. The system has reduced this business of evaluation to farce. If it is worth my two pence, I am sadly dissapointed. My heart goes out to the teachers.

Truly,

Samir, NY

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Colin Schumacher February 25, 2012, 2:18 AM

I am a New York City public school teacher. The New York Times and WNYC have committed a grave public disservice. Much has been written about basic tenets of journalistic integrity: Is this data accurate and reliable? What conclusions can be drawn? But more fundamental to this decision are basic considerations of ethics and decency. People are being hurt. As the Times has reported, in the only other instance of publicly released teacher data, Los Angeles teacher Rigoberto Ruelas committed suicide. Public school teachers routinely endure humiliation at the hands of policy-makers that have little knowledge of how children learn or what sustains a vibrant learning community. The amount of political energy bent on building and sustaining testing regimes is demoralizing to teachers who have committed their life's work to struggling with the complexities of student learning and the artistry of effective teaching. Their integrity is compromised daily by the pressures of education fads and "data-driven" doublespeak. Countless teachers sacrifice their own well-being to shelter their students from these pressures. They teach children preoccupied with concerns of family and friendships. They see children whose curiosities and inquiries take curriculum in unexpected directions, children that want to be active, children that want to be immersed in art. I have not met a teacher that has not been deeply committed to placing the needs of students at the center of their practice. But this political climate of testing and sanctions is suffocating the profession. Teachers are leaving. New York City's three-year hiring freeze has shut-out recent graduates of schools of education--teachers that have committed themselves to formal preparation programs that teach the intellectual tradition of education and the growing body of research on student learning. Alternative certification programs have thrived in this climate, sending the message that academic elites or career-changers from more "rigorous" professions will redeem a deflated profession. It is difficult to imagine that the profession could be any more devalued than it has been in New York City in recent years.

Education historian Diane Ravitch, among others, have offered astute analyses of the effects of testing and accountability on American Education. The New York Times and WNYC will enter that history as complicit in the statistical smoke and mirrors and the shameful devaluing of teachers.

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Zoe Edelstein February 25, 2012, 3:20 AM

"Still, they warned they can be only 95 percent sure a ranking is accurate."

This is maybe inaccurate itself. I assume this means that data you are showing has 95% confidence intervals. If so, it is not correct to say they are 95% sure the ranking is correct. The closest way to explain this in similar wording (though still not quite accurate) is they are 95% sure that the ranking falls within the (wide) margin of error.

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Liz Kirksey February 25, 2012, 6:12 AM

And I'm sure the lower-rated teachers and their students will find it so much easier to improve when every kid has looked up his/her teacher and can say, "I don't have to listen to you because the New York Times says you suck and can't teach."

IF this information needed to be released with individual names attached, it should have been restricted to PARENTS of the students in that school. This is now online forever...one of the worst violations of privacy I've ever seen. I am so glad I'm not a teacher.

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Marlene Lopez February 25, 2012, 12:45 PM

What would be more helpful is to print the names of parents whose children are failing in school? And lets print the students who are failing as well? And how about the names of police officers and firemen? This whole thing is ridiculous and a way for Bloomberg to shame teachers. He must have been shamed himself by a teacher. I just looked up the school I worked in last year and two fabulous teachers were poorly ranked. How can this be? Because the ranking is bogus.

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Roberta Ferdschneider February 25, 2012, 5:24 PM

I think it's worth a front-page article in the Times how the DOE pushed and pushed for the release of this deeply flawed information, and now backpedals from that push.

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Raymond Moy February 25, 2012, 5:53 PM

I am an avid reader and supporter of the NY Times, but I condemn their decision to seek and publish unreliable and faulty data and then promote them as valid rankings NY city school teacher quality. The data were gathered for general feedback purposes to be used at the school level for the improvement of teaching and learning and not for public shaming (or adulation) purposes. As everyone acknowledges, including you, no one should put very much confidence in these statistics. But then you ignore your own advice and write about them as if they were definitive indicators of teacher quality. This is similar to ranking the quality of newspapers by something like the increase of circulation numbers, but where the methodology for calculating those numbers are in dispute and your advertisers treat them like god-given truth. Just because the information was there and available doesn't make it fit to print. Shame on you.

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Sara Sadek February 25, 2012, 6:11 PM

Remember back in 2009/10, how the Bloomberg administration re-calibrated test scores? If you need a refresher, read this:

http://gothamschools.org/2010...

In layman's terms, the 2008/9, test scores were inflated (it also happened to be Bloomberg's re-election year, but we won't get into that). In 2009/10, after scrutiny about these higher scores, the Bloomberg administration admitted to inflation and decided to re-calibrate scores, making it much harder for students to get 3s and 4s than in previous years.

This directly and negatively impacts teacher ratings. As someone commented previously, "the rating system is meant to work this way: if a teacher consistently raises students scores from terrible to just bad, they would actually get a high rating, while a teacher who consistently lowers students scores from amazing to just good would get a low rating."

In the 2008-2010 school years, the only two years that this data is pulled from; students had an inflated test score the first year (2008/9), and a deflated test score the second year (2009/10), due to this re-calibration, making their "progress" window from one year to the next smaller than it would be had the test been consistent(in both difficulty and grading).

Seeing as how teacher scores are created by comparing progress from one year to the next, the scores published in particular are inherently flawed due to the re-calibration.

If the 35%-53% margin of error didn't already discredit these scores enough, this should further prove the lack of validity to them.

If we're going to go ahead and compromise journalistic integrity by publishing such inaccurate data, I would appreciate if NYTIMES journalists put a bit more effort into understanding and explaining the constantly moving terrain of standardized testing and teacher evaluations to non-educators

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Michael Ferruso February 25, 2012, 9:54 PM

It's truly sad that as society we a missing the entire picture and the ramifications of this national and local "war" on teachers and even to an extent the "war" on public employees. In the end, good,intelligent,innovative, highly qualified people are going to be turned away from a career in education since its seen as a profession that is constantly belittled and bashed.
The final result of this will be good teachers and public employees of other professions leaving their field.
To improve education our society needs to attract the best and brightest. However I fear that this will not happen if we continue on our current path.
As for those that take issue with the UFT suing to stop the release of records. Just keep an open mind that like them or not, unions are historically important to all working people, private and public. Without unions, whether it was eighty years ago or recently, there would be a lot less government regulation regarding how employees are treated, wages and benefits.
Instead of fighting, we all need to find ways to improve teaching that is fair and objective in a manner in which everyone is an equal partner. We also need to further understand outside "pull" factors that affect student achievement.

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Steve Kass February 24, 2012, 5:12 PM

In the article, "the bottom fifth percentile" is a typo. Should it say "bottom fifth," "bottom five percent," or something else? The fifth percentile in a distribution of scores is a number, and there is no bottom one.

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Bob D'Amico February 24, 2012, 6:08 PM

ok, the headline is "city data reports released"....so, where are they?

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Ashley Cyr February 24, 2012, 6:29 PM

A joint committee public hearing that took place in February 2012 in Wisconsin, proposed a bill that involves this very subject. The senate bill 461 and assembly bill 558 looks at requiring a screener for 5k and possibly 4k students assessing any needs they may need in regards to reading. The bill also proposes rating teacher effectiveness in terms of student outcomes and teacher practices. The bill proposes not just looking at student test scores, but also growth of the child’s abilities. It was stated that they wanted to measure the teachers effectiveness to teach, not the child’s ability to learn. Sandra Stetsky of the University of Arkansas and an education department coordinator from UW- Whitewater were among those from the public who spoke on this issue. They brought up some valid points on needing to create a better way to measure teacher effectiveness. Test scores only show a small part how effective teachers are. It was also discussed that budget cuts have decreased the number of staff in schools and increased the class size, thus making it more difficult to provide extra support to students who need it. I think the public should be aware of how students are learning. However, I think it was unethical for those scores to be posted without ensuring it is an effective way to measure teacher effectiveness. Teachers may face negative encounters or be targeted by the public all based on a measure that has not been developed properly. There has been a push for evidence based practices which these measures clearly do not meet.

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Tom Haslow February 24, 2012, 6:32 PM

What's a little disturbing is the quote “The purpose of these reports is not to look at any individual score in isolation ever... no principal would ever make a decision on this score alone and we would never invite anyone, parents, reporters, principals, teachers, to draw a conclusion based on this score alone.”

So it seems a giant mistake to release these numbers without context. This is the single biggest, quantifiable metric there is. in fact there is little else to get perspective on a teacher's performance outside of this single metric.

Do they really expect people to NOT look at this number as the single most important number? Yikes

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Jack Ingoldsby February 24, 2012, 6:34 PM

Excellent job of hedging in this article
So to summarize
1) There are no bad teachers
2) If there are, in principle it is impossible to determine who they are, there are too many factors.
3) If they can be identified, it is not their fault.

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Myles Miller February 24, 2012, 7:29 PM

As a current college student, recent NYC Schools graduate (2011) and former education commissioner, I must admit this is way of measuring teacher efficacy is just.

I can't count on my hands, the amount of teachers who would come to work each day, dreading their job. The teachers, who would say "I'm going to get paid regardless," and thus would disregard the lesson and wouldn't prepare us for college/tests.

I know students are much more than their test scores, after all I helped develop WholeChild.org, but in all honesty, let us judge the teachers on what they've accomplished.

Students never have a say in their own education. The student who sits on the Panel for Education Policy, doesn't get to vote. Therefore, students never get their say.

Let the data speak for the teachers, after all the data has spoken for the students time and time again.

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Roberto Allende February 24, 2012, 7:38 PM

In the 1940s, only half of all students finished high school, and the highest graduation rate we ever had was about 77 percent in the 1960s. The notion that public schools are doing a poor job is just another scam perpetrated by right-wing authoritarians and right-wing extremists on behalf of big business and corporations that simply do not want to pay Americans a livable wage.

The reason these right-wing policymakers are making it difficult for teachers to teach is because they are supposed to. Corporations want to deflect responsibility for our economic problems so it is in their interest to maintain the illusion that students are hopelessly undereducated and that the reason they can't hire Americans is because workers are unskilled and untrained.

If proponents want to rank teachers, let teachers interview and pick their students. I would love to see how well these advocates could run businesses if they had employees thrust upon them in the same manner that teachers are assigned students.

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Bob Fine February 24, 2012, 7:46 PM

I retired recently after a 51-year teaching career, including half a decade in NYC. It became clear early on that repeated testing in math and English gave little sense of how students developed intellectual curiosity and respect for information beyond mere memorization. At the far end of my teaching, at the university level, I saw students who had "passed" skills tests, but had no idea about the demands of higher education and their responsibility to think things through on their own. At the large state university where I spent my last 13 years, many faculty provided "test review materials" to students before exams that should have embarrassed them and their students. This emphasis on testing tells educators nothing about the intellectual development of students. They can score "well" on tests and still arrive at college with no basic awareness of serious intellectual work across the curriculum. In a word, they can pass tests and graduate culturally ignorant.

Welcome to the University of Remediation, where our students often arrive with no interest in or mastery of our history, politics, philosophy, or scientific inquiry. International educational comparisons show that none of the top-ranked nations are as fascinated with testing the basics as we are. They emphasize deeper learning starting with the first grade. We test at our own continuing risk, which is why "reform of education" is a permanent feature of American life at the cost of billions of dollars. Must K-12 take so long to teach so little?

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Johnny Bench February 24, 2012, 7:47 PM

Why do teachers refuse to take responsibility for their student's test scores? Maybe this goes back to the unconstrained self esteem issue (that I'm not really a supporter of). Teachers think success means having extra-happy self assured kids (who don't know anything). As a product of the public school system I can say that I much preferred teachers who wanted to help their students do well on exams to the ones that wanted to be everyone's friend.

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Glenda Puett February 24, 2012, 9:19 PM

Johnny, if your baseball team took every person who walked in off the street and taught them the game of baseball and then was requirred to let every one of them play in one big game do you think it is the coach's fault if the game is lost? If the game is lost do you think that the coach didn't try very hard to teach?

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Francis Ziegler February 24, 2012, 8:08 PM

Anyone who has ever observed the nightly weather report FAIL utterly the next morning, knows that predicting the weather is not an exact science. It's based on probability--just like these reports. And even though, in my heart of hearts, I'd really like to imagine the very best of people: I still somehow can't quite shake the sneaking suspicion, that this might all just be intentional compounded befuddlement.

“...value-added” assessments...A computer predicts how a group of students will do in next year’s tests using their scores from the previous year and accounting for several factors, like race, gender and income level. If the students surpass the expectations, their teacher is ranked at the top of the scale — “above average” or “high” under different models used in New York City. If they fall short, the teacher receives a rating of “below average” or “low.”

Anyway, I'm just trying to wrap my mind around it.

Essentially, a NYC teacher's performance score, is based upon: defiance of the anticipated outcome of the teacher's students' scores. But the expectations, by themselves, are based partly upon the scores of those same students from the year before (from before they met their teacher); and partly upon the expectations (apparently) of the computer programmers and statisticians--who may or may not be of the same race, gender, or income level as those students--from Wisconsin.

Which is not to say that the programmers themselves are necessarily discriminatory. But even if they are not intentionally exercising prejudice: their experience as a human--and whatever they bring to their work--living in a very different place, can be many times removed from their purpose.

In a nutshell, what I'm trying to point out, is that the computers are not racist, sexist, or snobbish. Still, the people who wrote the equations--who gave them to the software engineers, who gave them to the School Chancellor, who used them to evaluate teachers--might be.

Sadly, at it's worst: what this could really just end up being is that some statistician--who, even with just a subconscious low opinion of people of low income, a different race, gender, or even just people from New York City in general--wants to justify his/her personal FEELINGS with STATISTICS. Which, unfortunately (if you are not taught to think very deeply), adds immediate gravity to their arguments; as people, very often are easily intimidated by quoted figures (even if they are in actuality complete nonsense).

Oddly: no one seems to have accounted for that variable.

What's interesting to me as a teacher though (not NYC): is that this isn't ONLY disheartening and psychologically damaging to the students; but is also potentially damning to the very persons who are sincerely trying to help.

At any rate, this program doesn't seem to be addressing the real problems of failing schools (namely: not enough teachers, funding, low morale; and/or parents out to lunch--or dead); but instead, in a very convoluted way, seems to be using the ills of society to reinforce the ills of society.

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Mj Lomneth February 28, 2012, 6:34 PM

The Value added data approach works.
I have used it for years in my school district.
The data evaluation software looks at data for a group (say poor kids - based on Free and reduced price lunch). They don't think - hmm, "how will poor kids do". They just look at data for the poor student cohort in the past. They assume this year the poor kids will (on average) do about as well as they always have done.
In some classes, the kids (poor and otherwise) will do better than expected. The principal should know which teacher produce this result, especially if a teacher produces better than expected results every year. The principal should ask that teacher to share what has worked - and have that teacher present those ideas to the entire school staff.
Alternately, with some teachers, the students will do worse than expected. The principal should discuss this problem with that kind of teacher - and, if need be, put the teacher on an improvement program.

The race and gender of the programmer or statistician has no bearing. The data is based on the facts - and that is what drives the Value Added system.
Because it is new, it may seem complicated to understand the way the Value Added data is calculated. As people get used to it, they will see that the value added data tracks well (on average) to what principals observe in the classroom, and what parents, kids and other teachers already know about who the best teachers are.
Using the data for part of a teachers evaluation is much more fair than only trusting a principal (who might be prejudiced or just clueless) and who (even if they are excellent at their job) rarely has enough time to do as many thoughtful class observations as they would like or would need to do a really fair evaluation.

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Joel Gombiner February 24, 2012, 8:30 PM

Terrible idea.

Data, especially data on standardized testing, is in the process of ruining public education. This kind of thing only encourages the paradigm of memorization, plug-and-play equations, teaching to the test...

Good test scores and good teachers are not the same thing. A good teacher simply can't be measured by a uni-dimensional metric. Once we grasp that simple fact we can start making real progress in education...

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Craig Aberle February 25, 2012, 2:21 AM

Funny - that is how teachers measure our kids. Hard metrics. Grades. The one statistic that always amused me is that 75% of the teachers think they are in the top 25% of teaching ability. The hard truth is a little painful sometimes.

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Peter Kaufman February 24, 2012, 9:01 PM

I had a dialogue last week via Twitter with Randi Weingarten re teacher rankings.

I asked her if she would name a single person who'se teaching today, that she feels shouldn't be.

http://bit.ly/ycaBAY

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John Elfrank-Dana February 25, 2012, 3:56 PM

1. You assume she should publicly out someone.
2. You assume she's a principal in the schools. Now she might have access to teachers receiving Us for the year and even a department defending them. However, to expect she'd have a name and would give it up is disingenuous.

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Ted Lewis February 24, 2012, 9:18 PM

Shame on you, NYT! I am still seriously edning my subscription.

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DM Hedges February 24, 2012, 10:21 PM

Union Busting is all this amounts to. A kind of Lord-of-the-Files approach to manipulating the UFT. Soon, teacher will turn against teacher, and turn a union of professional educators into bickering service-sector workers. Grades don't motivate students the way money motivates the Corporation-man. This is why they banned Dodge Ball from Phys Ed! It's gloriously Machevelian!

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DM Hedges February 24, 2012, 10:23 PM

Union Busting is all this amounts to. A kind of Lord-of-the-Files approach to manipulating the UFT. Soon, teacher will turn against teacher, and turn a union of professional educators into bickering service-sector workers. Grades don't motivate students the way money motivates the Corporation-man. This is why they banned Dodge Ball from Phys Ed! It's gloriously Machevelian!

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Mark Mark February 24, 2012, 10:28 PM

What is our plan to attract the best and the brightest to teaching? Low pay and a promise of potential public humiliation!! Good teaching is not all that important... it's only educating our future. Oh, wait, it IS important. Oops.

How do we expect our teachers to create safe environments where curiosity and exploration flourish, when we do the opposite of that to our teachers?

Who comes up with this crap?? I want to see their performance appraisals.

Also, the performance appraisals of their managers, please.

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Mark Mark February 24, 2012, 10:31 PM

What is our plan to attract the best and the brightest to teaching? Low pay and a promise of potential public humiliation!! Good teaching is not all that important... it's only educating our future. Oh, wait, it IS important. Oops.

How do we expect our teachers to create safe environments where curiosity and exploration flourish, when we do the opposite of that to our teachers?

Who comes up with this cr@p??

I want to see their performance appraisals.

Also, the performance appraisals of their managers, please.

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Howard Kaplan February 24, 2012, 10:43 PM

Old story: family income and student achievement highly correlate (see SAT scores/family income) Want smart/Harvard ready kids? have a wealthy family and a tiger mom/dad.

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Mj Lomneth February 28, 2012, 7:18 PM

You don't seem to get it - the value added data just compares a student's scores against his/her previous scores. That is why it is better than the old system of looking at raw scores.

With Value Added, if a rich kid scored at advanced every year until they had a teacher who didn't know the material, they might drop a notch or two on the end of year state test. That kind of drop shows up in the teacher's Value Added score, as it should.

I worked with one of those struggling teachers who tried to teach the Pythagorean Theorem - but didn't realize it had anything to do with triangles!!! Yikes!
That teacher consistently had bad value added numbers, year after year - no surprise. The students couldn't learn, because this one teacher did not know the material the kids were being tested on, material that had to be covered in that course.

Other teachers at the same school had students (poor and rich) who consistently tested better than expected and so those teachers had very high Value Added results.
WIth good teaching, the bottom students move up, and the top students continue to show their learning by testing well.

If all the students that have one teacher show a huge growth in test scores over the scores they had last year - that shows good teaching - regardless of how poor or rich the kids are.

If all the kids move down on their test result rankings after a year with a weak teacher, that shows that the teacher needs help and support or perhaps a different profession.

The Value Added approach may not be perfect, but it is much better than what we have done in the past, especially since it is only part (less than 20%) of the teachers evaluation.

That said, I don NOT think the individual teacher data should be published by the NY Times.

It seems the NY Times is trying to be like the LA Times. But in LA - they paper was trying to push the Union to Actually let Schools and Principals USE the data.
The LA teachers union was being stupid.

In New York, the teachers union is already being sensible and the schools are using the data. That is where the data should be shared.

The only reason the LA times felt it had to post the data - was not to shame teachers - but rather shame their backward union.

New York is miles ahead of the LA union in looking out for kids and bring education into the 21st century.
The NYTimes should now be giving Kudos to the wonderful teachers in New York.
As long as they have posted the data, maybe they can do some stories on some of the best teachers in the state. The LA Times did highlight unsung teacher heros at the same time they published the value added data.

So where are the good teacher stories for public schools in NY and NYC?
I personally know many fine teacher in NYC public schools, and they should be on the front page as role models for all teachers in the US.

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Michael Bayer February 24, 2012, 10:47 PM

A school or school district is a microcosm of the larger community or city. Factors afflicting that macrocosm (poverty, crime, divorce, etc.)must have a deleterious impact on the performance of children in those schools. While none of those factors are new, two rather recent mandates are: 1)schools are expected to educate and graduate ALL students. This may have always been theoretical, but was the never the practice, and 2)ALL those graduates are expected to enter and graduate from college. Previously, students had more options after school, whether or not they graduated. Given that we live in a more individualistic and socially isolated age (where ethic communities and family centric life have disappeared)somehow the expectation exists that students should achieve more greatly without those vital resources.
How can the school and its teachers, no matter how "good", replace or mitigate the neccesary foundational support of family and community? The simple answer is that they can't. However, to Americans the notion of a unsolveable problem is inconceivable. Education has been the means for many to escape poverty. Too many believe that schools are the panacea. Despite the DOE's love of data, they cannot see the statistical impossibility of the education panacea, especially when societal factors are excluded. They insist an answer exists although all reaonable solutions have been attempted and failed. So the DOE and their reformist allies concoct an unreasonable solution: there are massive amounts of bad schools and bad teachers. 11 years into Bloomberg he is closing his new schools and charters are also failing. Since the new teacher evaluation system is too subjective and narrowly tailored, it too will prove inadequate. Unless the goal to discourage real educators and cause them to leave teaching and have a constant turnover of newbies who never ascend the pay scale and never vest in the pension system.
Unless that is the actual goal of Bloomberg and the so-called reformers!

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Jessica Platt Jacobs February 24, 2012, 10:59 PM

One of my reports shows N/A for data on Special Needs students. Only problem is that ALL my data is based on Special Needs students. I'm a special ed teacher!!!. Once I saw that error, I stopped reading. How can any of this be trusted if it is filled with errors? No one knows from one day to the next, how these kids will respond on a test. It has nothing to do with how well I did or did not teach them, it has to do with their mood on that given day and whether or not they will sit and read the questions or just bubble in any answer they choose.
The high performing teachers are probably in high performing neighborhoods. They claim the data has accounted for that. It's impossible. Every year my school is compared to other schools for their "report card" grade - my school has almost one quarter of its students with IEP's yet the schools we are compared to have significantly less. The same system is choosing who we are compared to, just as they choose what data is comparable in our reports. THIS IS NOTHING BUT A GAME THE DOE WANTS TO PLAY - I'd like them to put the top teachers in their books - into schools in the worst neighborhoods of NYC and see if they still rank tops.

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Kathleen Rowe February 25, 2012, 12:03 AM

"But citing both the wide margin of error — on average, a teacher’s math score could be 35 percentage points off, or 53 points on the English exam — as well as the limited sample size — some teachers are being judged on as few as 10 students — city education officials said their confidence in the data varied widely from case to case."

This is all I need to know to conclude that the so-called "data" are worthless.

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John Smith February 25, 2012, 12:38 AM

So the teachers' union used members dues (and therefore our tax dollars) to hire lawyers to block release of these reports? Truly sickening--but just what I expect from these scoundrels. It's never been about teaching kids at all, it's been about feathering their nests and keeping any public scrutiny of their performance far, far away.

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Bridget Elder February 25, 2012, 4:55 AM

Members dues come out of their pay checks, not your tax dollars. If you are going to spew hatred, at least ascertain that your facts are correct. Teachers also pay taxes. Teachers are public servants, but they are not your personal servant. Your statements are outrageous and untrue.

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John Smith February 26, 2012, 1:50 PM

Uh, union dues are tax deductible. We're paying for the union's litigious activity via higher taxes for everyone else out there, including me. I have a right to question the union's desperate, costly, taxpayer-subsidized efforts to shield its members from public scrutiny. Just as you have a right to interpret that as "spewing hatred."

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Bridget Elder February 26, 2012, 2:39 PM

Yes, it's evident that you are a union hater, which is certainly your prerogative. Tax payers are paying for plenty of non union litigious activity as well. If you really are so compared with the waste of our tax payer dollars, the biggest offender is Mayor Bloomberg. Compared to CityTime, the city subsidizing of wealthy land developers, the bungled management of NYC public schools under mayoral control) the union is penny ante stuff.

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Sarah Quinn February 25, 2012, 1:41 AM

Mark my words, this data will soon be twisted and used by the governor (and supported by the Mayor)on his bully pulpit to continue to erode the education profession. Somehow he will connect it with his plans for a tier 6 program to be law by strong-arming the state legislature.

This is/was/will be a political perfect storm against education.

It doesn't matter that the data is weak and error-ridden. It doesn't really matter that journalistic integrity is gone with the wind. It doesn't matter that hard working teachers who make a difference daily will be negatively impacted. The only thing that really matters is that this will further the firestorm and take away from the progress needed in the classroom and become a tool for the politicos to pull headlines and soundbites from.

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Craig Aberle February 25, 2012, 2:14 AM

The bottom line is that parents are not happy with the education process. As the father of three I've been to see teachers and administrators on numerous occasions. Public data is a very good start. A little sunshine is an excellent disinfectant, as the saying goes. I've seen schools where no administrator ever sits in on a class to evaluate a teacher.
Ask your kids when the last time their teachers were monitored or evaluated...they know. The next step in accountability is camera and video recording in the classroom.

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Bridget Elder February 25, 2012, 4:59 AM

I would not call then publishing of flawed data "sunshine."

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Deborah Gottesfeld February 25, 2012, 5:25 AM

This data makes no sense. Teachers at my son's former middle school teach more than one grade. According to the data, they are above average teaching one grade and below average teaching another - THE SAME TEACHER. How is that possible?

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Michael Ferruso February 25, 2012, 12:41 PM

This why releasing these reports without context or explanation for each teacher individually is a dangerous proposition to the integrity of the teacher and the educational system. You child's teacher difference in success based on grade level can be due to many factors.
The teacher may have been teacher a class out of license for that year. This happens in many 6-8 schools where teachers certified for 7-12 grades are placed in a 6th grade class due to budget or staffing constraints.
The teacher may have been teaching a class with English Language Learners (ELL) or co teaching with Special Education students which could lead to the variation in success. Maybe there were attendance issues, or perhaps students had personal issues blocking their success.

Or, which is why these reports should stay private but should be used for professional development purposes, The teacher may be stronger in another curriculum. Reviewing this data would allow the teacher and administration to develop meaningful PD in order to strengthen their ability to teach the same subject in the future.
There is so much more information and factors that are just not shown by looking at data.

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Michael Ferruso February 25, 2012, 12:42 PM

This why releasing these reports without context or explanation for each teacher individually is a dangerous proposition to the integrity of the teacher and the educational system. You child's teacher difference in success based on grade level can be due to many factors.
The teacher may have been teacher a class out of license for that year. This happens in many 6-8 schools where teachers certified for 7-12 grades are placed in a 6th grade class due to budget or staffing constraints.
The teacher may have been teaching a class with English Language Learners (ELL) or co teaching with Special Education students which could lead to the variation in success. Maybe there were attendance issues, or perhaps students had personal issues blocking their success.

Or, which is why these reports should stay private but should be used for professional development purposes, The teacher may be stronger in another curriculum. Reviewing this data would allow the teacher and administration to develop meaningful PD in order to strengthen their ability to teach the same subject in the future.
There is so much more information and factors that are just not shown by looking at data.

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Michael Ferruso February 25, 2012, 12:44 PM

There are many factors that the data does not tell people.

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Mary Ellen Johnson February 25, 2012, 1:28 PM

Evaluating a teacher’s performance in a classroom is challenging. It is one of the few professions that the product of ones work is a child's successes. Social-economics is a factor, is now, and always has been. It’s the 21st century and skills needed to live a life of financial independence continue to evolve. It has grown so far beyond the three R’s.

Yes, there are some teachers that are not well suited for their craft and should look else where. Yes, there are those who have been working in this demanding profession too long and must be replaced. Yes, one’s performance should be evaluated like any other job. Yes, a parent’s involvement in their child’s education is crucial for it is a team effort and shunning this responsibility should no longer be tolerated. Etc…….

Conversely……………..

Has anyone given thought to the idea that an antiquated public school model is the dilemma? When all is said and done, educational reform begins with smaller learning communities.

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Marlene Lopez February 25, 2012, 1:32 PM

How come I see many special education teachers listed while your article clearly states that special edu has not been published? You already proved to me that this is all a sham and inaccurate. You are never going to get people to teacher English and math in the future. Easier to teacher another subject or grade. I know. I'll teacher 2nd grade instead.

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Sutirtha Bagchi February 25, 2012, 3:40 PM

Looks like the teachers' union must have sent out a missive to its members to keep flooding the message boards with messages opposing the release of these rankings. Guys, wake up to the new reality. The taxpaying public is tired of giving unaccountable teachers a free pass and hence this attempt. It is good that your challenge failed in the courts. But even if it had succeeded, we, members of the general public, would have worked hard to make sure that teachers who are drawn into the profession for the wrong reason, are kicked out in a reasonable period of time. Seriously, if you guys want to be paper-pushers, go join the DMV or something but don't take up teaching.

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Bridget Elder February 25, 2012, 6:09 PM

May I remind you that teachers are taxpayers too. I don't know where you get off on your distorted premises that teachers want to be "paper-pushers," or anything of that ilk. Teachers want nothing more than to teach, to be able to use their skills, knowledge and creativity to be part of the miracle of learning, to enable the eureka moments and to help instill a lifelong love of learning. Most teachers manage to teach despite the never ending flash flood of horrors, the unwarranted assault on the resources needed in the schools, the politicians, billionaires, media and eduentrepreneurs who seek to profit from the public school communities, and the sad, but oh so predictable attacks on teachers by ignorant hate spewing individuals.

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Evan Romer February 25, 2012, 6:46 PM

This paragraph is very confusingly written:

Statisticians try to acknowledge these uncertainties
by attributing wide margins of error to teachers’
scores — as much as 54 out of 100 points in the
city. Still, they warned they can be only 95 percent
sure a ranking is accurate.

The second sentence makes the ranking seem VERY accurate, and seems to contradict the second sentence. Most readers will be confused, or will think that despite the large margin of error, the ranking are pretty darn accurate.

I assume that what you meant to say is that, according to statisticians, there is a 95% chance that a teacher's true ranking is within 54 points of his or her published ranking -- in other words, not very accurate at all. Bt the typical reader will have no idea that that’s what you meant.

Understanding margin of error is a key aspect of this controversial issue. You need to do better.

Evan Romer
Windsor NY

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Sherman Sondell February 25, 2012, 7:20 PM

Reading some of the "teacher" comments below, its clear that a lot of you are either illiterate, statistically illiterate, or are just too lazy to read an article before posting. I'd like to attempt to clarify things for you, but I doubt any of this will get through your thick skulls, so I suppose I'm merely posting this for my own satisfaction.

The value-added model predicts the expected scores for a given group of students by looking at their scores in other years (among other factors) then comparing that expectation with the actual results. If a teacher gets a room full of low achieving students, the expectations are much lower, and she will not be punished unless they're even stupider than they usually are.

F-minus to all of you. I expect some of you to flag this as inappropriate because you seem to have an innate revulsion towards any type of intelligent criticism.

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Mj Lomneth February 28, 2012, 10:44 PM

Thought I am a supporter of Value Added - and think that while your explanation might be clear - your tone of personal attack on teachers is so offensive, few people who are fond of teachers will read any further than your ad hominem attacks.
Why don't you just stick to the explanation and leave the emotion aside?

The concept of Value Added (rate of change) is challenging for many people - and only somewhat easier for those of us who have taken Calculus.
If you are smart enough to understand statistics and Value Added data, then you should be smart enough to know that there are many fine teachers in the NY schools. And yet there may be a small percentage of duds - just like there are in any office or profession.

I personally know many fine NYC teachers. I have worked with tons of teachers over the years, and yes, I have seen a tiny percent who should find a different job. But most of the teachers I met working in schools in NYC were fabulous and should be celebrated!
How many teachers in NY do you know personally?
If you can base your comments on Facts - instead of emotion - then you might be more able to persuade people to your point of view (instead of being just thought of as an old crank).

I feat that opinions from old cranks like you just serve to undermine the cause of Value Added data being used as part of a rational and much fairer way of evaluating teacher than we had in the past.

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Brett Baron Marianetti February 25, 2012, 9:38 PM

Elementary school is a different world when it comes to evaluation and the mayor and his past chancellor tried to make it conform to their model.

One of the things this system did not take into account is the way in which classes are doled out to teachers by principals. Principals often load the classes of veteran teachers who have good discipline in their classes with many students who have learning issues not apparent on tests or which interfere with the learning of others. Principals also, due to building seniority, may give a new teacher a group which was tough to manage the year before because no one else wants to take them on. Sometimes mixed grade classes are made because of numbers in a school. Test scores and demographics are not the only factors which impact a teacher's test scores, and unfortunately a "loaded" class can be bad for all involved and through no fault of the teacher or students.

Another thing that has been neglected is the issue of students switching classes (interclassing) for core classes based on their reading and math levels. That means that a teacher is listed as the teacher of record for that subject, and listed as the responsible party, but never taught that child in that subject the whole year. None of this can be determined looking at these percentiles.

If you are a parent reading the percentile rankings for your child's teacher, take this into account.

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Amy Wallach February 26, 2012, 3:58 AM

The thing that I cannot fathom is how anyone can validate the ridiculous belief that a teacher should be evaluated based on a test he or she is not taking. Why don't we then blame a doctor when we get cancer, or blame a firefighter who comes to our house to put out a fire for starting it, or blame a lawyer when we do something illegal. When I was in school I, and I alone, was responsible for my test scores. This system was created and published for a few reasons. One is to break the union and take away tenure (a position teachers need since they go into the only field that requires a high level of education and can only be used in one public agency in New York City and administrators cannot leave their personal feeling out of what should be objective evaluations). Two, to give society more of a reason to blame teachers for the failure of our education system. Finally, because our mayor, who finds a way to illegally break the law to hold a position three times, wants more than anything, to discredit teachers in the publics' eye. Mission accomplished, just don't pretend to care about children. If any of these people did, they would have known the ramifications of their actions and how negatively our students will be effected.

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Ida Byrd-Hill February 26, 2012, 4:58 PM

Poverty has been used as an excuse of why students test scores are lower and it should not be. Having viewed the educational process in both "rich" and "poor" schools, poor students receive an inferior education. Rich students received sience labs poor students do not. Rich students go on lots of field trips poor students do not. Rich students perform higher order thinking lessons, poor students do not. Are the students really different. I state not but their education is certainly different. As a former poor student who scored in the EIGHTH PERCENTILE on the ACT without fancy ACT prep classes and long study session, education between the two sets of schools is different across this country. The sad irony is that EDUCATION is supposed to be the vehicle - the lifter out of poverty. If the educators returned education to its proper mission as a poverty lifter, there will be less poor students and poor schools. Provide all children a FREE AND EQUITABLE education despite Socioeconomic status. For that reason, I created Fluke - the wealth building game of accidental inventions to level the playing field in science and mathematics.

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John Elfrank-Dana March 4, 2012, 4:16 PM

Poor kids are in under-resourced schools, but they are also in families who generally read to them less and punish them physically. Both of these realities contribute to the problem. This is what the research says. It's so prevalent in the psychological and sociological, that any earnest search will bring up the studies that show that not reading to kids has a devastating impact on readiness to learn and that physical punishment seriously impairs the child's social functioning. The AFT published a study showing how lower socio-economic households read much less to their kids than their middle-class counterparts. Google "The Early Catastrophe" to see the article.

These are the conditions poverty promotes. They impact a child's readiness to learn. Poverty matters! These families are victims but if they stop hitting their kids and read to them regularly, it will dramatically improve their child's chances. But, class sizes must be reduced and educational resources must be improved as well to level the playing field.

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Candy Apel March 6, 2012, 5:46 PM

Why cant the teacher data reports show grade level achieved last year, & this year vs. grade level goal? WHERE IS THE TRANSPARENCY IN THE RESULTS??? Instead the results are an index of an index of an index. The reports seem to be purposely designed to be confusing in much the same way that the formula's for derivatives in the financial sector are.

How can teachers check for accuracy in their data reports when the results are not translated back into grade level achieved? My teachers were able to tell me my reading level when I was in grade school. Have the testing companies just lost the ability to do this or are they purposely trying to obscure information?

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Trina Lacey March 17, 2012, 3:02 PM

I wrote this piece for Gotham Schools in response to data-fying people's value. I invite you to read and share!

http://gothamschools.org/2012...

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Topi Kallinen April 8, 2012, 9:05 AM

There is a harmful but very global tendency behind it. Workers in all middle class categories, medical experts and layers of course excluded, are tried to be pressed onto simplified formats to pay them less. Manageable as rather dummy impersonal blocks, teachers can become conveniently replaced by any another, for any minor reason. If prolonged, this process will fall the status of all teachers so much downwards, that not quite many people might like to become a teacher.

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