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Feb. 24, 2012, 12:58 p.m.

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Mark Pomeroy February 24, 2012, 9:10 PM

The craze for public sharing of teacher performance also caught fire in L.A. recently and, as a former public school teacher, I think this was inevitable, but also a bit ridiculous. So many want to hold teachers responsible if a student isn't doing well? There's no question that what the teacher does in the classroom is important. But there are so many other factors that dictate a student's success in school i.e. socio-economic level, location, culture, parental achievement, family and - oh God, can it be? - the student himself! I feel sorry for NYC teachers that took on positions in particularly tough neighborhoods. What's their reward? A slap in the face!

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AnnaBelle Pfau February 25, 2012, 11:24 PM

The problem is not just that the occasional student fails, it's that so many of them are failing. It can't always be the student's fault, or the family's, or poverty. When you have the systemic failures that are happening right now in education, it suggests there are multiple problem areas, and teachers, as well as their unions and the education programs that educate them are a big part of those problems. The public is no longer satisfied with the "teachers are saints and failure is to be expected" because it's a tough job. There are plenty of tough jobs, and the public doesn't hear those workers crying and wailing like we do teachers WHENEVER they are at risk for being held accountable.

http://peacocksandlilies.com/2012/02/25/a-career-in-public-education-isnt-that-hard/

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Joan Smith February 26, 2012, 4:25 AM

You're incredibly ignorant.

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Joan Smith February 26, 2012, 4:25 AM

You're incredibly ignorant.

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Elissa Jury February 26, 2012, 3:34 PM

You may be good with students, you may know the material, some of your comments may even be valid but you mix valid arguments with assumptions and make unfounded inferences. Your writing is the epitome of sour grapes and political fim flam. Your argument is full of sentiments of sour grapes and jealously.

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Ron Bannon February 24, 2012, 9:19 PM

The elephant in the room is the student. All too many students are unwilling to do what they need to do, but we still blame the teacher. Madness!

I'm not a NYC school teacher.

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Alpheus Williams February 24, 2012, 10:20 PM

The elephant in the room is, indeed, the student. The elephant at the door is the parent. When I was a child and brought home a bad report card...I could have screamed till blue in the face that my poor results was the teacher's fault. My parents didn't buy that back then and parents shouldn't buy it now. Education issues will not be solved until all sides realise they are part of the problem. Perhaps if parents took a more active part in their children's learning things would improve. Computer games, television and the internet are not part of active parenting...they are little more than a cheap and dysfunctional child minding service. Work is important but so is spending quality time with your children and that doesn't mean sitting in front of the television watching mindless junk. Parenting is active not passive.

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Lakshmi Kambampati February 24, 2012, 11:12 PM

I just retired as a high school teacher and these days I substitute all over the district. I am seeing the students' unwilling to learn and spending more time in disrupting the classroom. it is sad that teacher's are held responsible for the lack of discipline at home and no regard for education;

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Buddy Bronx March 1, 2012, 9:48 AM

In reply to Lakshmi Kambampati:_____________________Let's keep in mind that approximately 90% of the student population are fantastic young people who attempt to make a good effort to do what is expected for their education. Almost all students respond in a positive way when given higher level bars to reach for. However, the behavior of that 10% (approximate) plus the borderline 5% can do so much to destroy the learning and educational atmosphere that our good students are cheated from receiving the best quality of instruction within the classroom regardless of where the teacher was educated, the salary paid, or the lesson given. Multiply these disturbances from the first grade through the twelfth grade and it becomes clear why our high school students are missing so much of the basic tools needed to succeed in academics. This small percentage of students wear down administrators, teachers, counselors, deans and, of course, the parent(s). The parent(s) often hope that the school professionals have the answer.

As a result of the poor behavior, lack of discipline, and light consequences teacher effectiveness is greatly diminished.
Mayor Bloomberg was given the authority to make changes. He still has time to implement a new strategy for the remaining two years of his term that may be effective in improving the quality of instruction which could help to lift the Regents passing rate for students.

The Mayor and the Chancellor must:
1) Declare all school classrooms to be places for learning and achievement.
2) Have a set of procedures to follow for each student's infraction ­such as, poor behavior, filthy language, disturbing other students and the learning process.
3) Institute a "three strikes" and you are out policy.
4) Students surpassing the three strikes and you are out policy within one year will need to complete their education at another school within the district. (The old 600 schools or something similar.)
5) Offer the student a chance to return to the regular school if good behavior is shown within a year's time at the second facility.
6) Stick to the policy and the consequences and the borderline students (who now see other students getting away with the poor behavior) will fall into place.
7) Test scores will increase as classroom learning productivity­ will be greatly enhanced. The overwhelming majority of good students will be more focused on the lesson rather than the disturbances. A teacher will not have his/her lesson that was so well planned destroyed as a result of the disturbances. I am confident that if a true disciplinary program were implemented that regents scores and the passing rate will improve.

This, in the final analysis, would literally cost millions of dollars less than what has been done over the past ten years with virtually marginal results. Discipline in the classroom ought to be strategy #1 to improve instruction.

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Jeff Goldstein February 25, 2012, 1:30 AM

I've made a cursory look at these data and conclude it is nonsense, and an unnecessary dragging of teachers through the mud. One example - the SAME teacher at one grade level scores a 7 in English and at another grade level a 63 in English. I have to assume that in one grade she does not know her craft at all yet when she walks into her other grade english class she's well above average and acuires skill at the door. These are either two people (not) or these data is so badly biased with systematics that it is worthless. There are multiple tests that can be performed that indicate this is badly flawed analysis and therefore a stunning disgrace to education.

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Linda Schirling February 25, 2012, 5:17 PM

Jeff, do you happen to remember the school name and teacher name in the case you cite above? I'd be interested in sharing this information. Thank you.

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Joan Smith February 26, 2012, 4:50 AM

Flawed it is. One colleague of mine earned a particular rating for the year he/she served as math coach. A math coach is relieved of teaching duties, thus can it be assumed that this individual "added value" through...osmosis?

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Richard White February 25, 2012, 5:52 PM

The previous comments cover much of the valid criticism of publication of these test scores. I am a retired teacher administrator and professor and have spent my 50 years in public/private schools. It does shock me that this great hue and cry for "value added accountability" exists in a nation where the economy is brought to near collapse by the results of reckless risks taken by investors, banks, etc. The hypocrisy of jumping on teacher's lack of ability to "value add" is so sad it is wildly funny. Guess we need a test score for the financial value of derivatives.

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Howard Kaplan February 24, 2012, 10:39 PM

I see where we're heading-- Teacher free/on-line schools (thanks to Bill Gates, a college drop-out),privite schools (for the 1%), home schooling. Want a school; pay for it 30-40--grand a year. Is this a system?

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Roger Lopez February 25, 2012, 1:17 AM

Private schools aren't just for the 1%. You forget those that are on financial aid and those who enter private schools through programs such as Prep for Prep.

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Bridget Elder February 25, 2012, 5:03 AM

Yes, but what percentage of the students are really receiving Prep for Prep / financial aid?

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Branko Pines February 25, 2012, 2:50 PM

whatever that number it's lower than students going to a public school system. This part of a wider trend, of Nebraskans not willing to pay for my kids education, but asking for my Blue Stater aid every time their roads are broken, or they support yet another war.

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Julie Dahlman February 25, 2012, 3:53 PM

Hypocrisy! Right on, let's stand up for teachers and education all children from early educational programs through grade 12 and then tech schools or college.

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Lakshmi Kambampati February 24, 2012, 11:11 PM

I just retired as a high school teacher and these days I substitute all over the district. I am seeing the students' unwilling to learn and spending more time in disrupting the classroom. it is sad that teacher's are held responsible for the lack of discipline at home and no regard for education;

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Daliz Vasquez February 25, 2012, 1:42 PM

I actually reviewed the TDR for my school. What I find the MOST interesting is that I had the highest scoring class in the fourth grade for both ELA and MATH.... yet...I scored BELOW all the teachers on my grade for ELA. I also find interesting that one of the teachers scored higher than I did... YET... her class was the lowest in achievement in the fourth grade. When I further went to look at several of the numbers... I realized that I had a class full of level 3 and 4's from the previous year AND when the test changed my students maintained their levels and many of the other teachers the levels had dropped YET... I scored below my peers. Then I noticed that there were teachers that taught together and the scores were not separated for those teachers yet I know that one of the teachers are not effective.... Is it flawed.... ? ABSOLUTELY!

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John Magee February 25, 2012, 12:07 AM

Last year I had three ninth grade biology classes in which around 50% of the students failed, the year before that the failure rate was 33% , this year its 25%. I work to improve my curriculum and my skills every year but essentially its the same program - so what is the major variable? Yep - its the students.
More evidence? The three Bio classes I teach this year have widely differing grade distributions too - in one class 35% of the kids are failing, in another its 18%. Whats the variable this time? It's still the kids!
I teach a class accessible to all - my evidence? - kids who work hard and engage in the class often get A's. Its not rocket science.
All I do everyday is open the achievement gap. Kids who try and work hard get further ahead, those who are not engaged fall further behind. All this talk about "we need good teachers" if fine - what if you have good teachers? There are MANY good teachers out there and there are many kids not engaged in school. Can schools and teacher improve, sure - but the money and resources are not provided, we are not empowered by our districts to make changes that could have impact and the improvements we do have control over often have little impact on kids who are not engaged. The big elephant in the living room is a society with a philosophy of growth and consumerism whose values are often in direct opposition to the values being taught in school. We have many parents who found it really easy to have kids but find it very hard to parent them.
How about we let those kids who are not engaged in school leave at age 16 and give them a credit voucher for two years of free education at a local community college when they figure out education really is the solution? Allows teachers to focus on those kids who truly want to be there and allows those who are not motivated to check out "the real world". At least when they come back they are likely to be more mature and more motivated.

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Branko Pines February 25, 2012, 2:55 PM

Teachers will respond to this fraud with fraud of their own: they will let students pass who don't deserve it. And there's that downward spiral again.
Then we'll have an incredibly divided system where only the rich get a proper education, the rest just takes it easy. And they'll appease us with the occasional charity effort (ooh look at the rich white idealists, 'sacrificing' themselves in an inner-city neighborhood), which wouldn't be necessary if the rich paid their taxes.

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Julie Dahlman February 25, 2012, 3:56 PM

That's there plan which is getting more obvious daily and hoping that the people who vote and follow like the sheep the faux news misinformation meant to mislead, anger, and instill fear.

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John Magee February 25, 2012, 12:07 AM

Last year I had three ninth grade biology classes in which around 50% of the students failed, the year before that the failure rate was 33% , this year its 25%. I work to improve my curriculum and my skills every year but essentially its the same program - so what is the major variable? Yep - its the students.
More evidence? The three Bio classes I teach this year have widely differing grade distributions too - in one class 35% of the kids are failing, in another its 18%. Whats the variable this time? It's still the kids!
I teach a class accessible to all - my evidence? - kids who work hard and engage in the class often get A's. Its not rocket science.
All I do everyday is open the achievement gap. Kids who try and work hard get further ahead, those who are not engaged fall further behind. All this talk about "we need good teachers" if fine - what if you have good teachers? There are MANY good teachers out there and there are many kids not engaged in school. Can schools and teacher improve, sure - but the money and resources are not provided, we are not empowered by our districts to make changes that could have impact and the improvements we do have control over often have little impact on kids who are not engaged. The big elephant in the living room is a society with a philosophy of growth and consumerism whose values are often in direct opposition to the values being taught in school. We have many parents who found it really easy to have kids but find it very hard to parent them.
How about we let those kids who are not engaged in school leave at age 16 and give them a credit voucher for two years of free education at a local community college when they figure out education really is the solution? Allows teachers to focus on those kids who truly want to be there and allows those who are not motivated to check out "the real world". At least when they come back they are likely to be more mature and more motivated.

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Krizia Sapida February 29, 2012, 4:30 PM

Amen to this statement! "The big elephant in the living room is a society with a philosophy of growth and consumerism whose values are often in direct opposition to the values being taught in school. We have many parents who found it really easy to have kids but find it very hard to parent them."

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Daisy Sharrock March 3, 2012, 6:09 AM

Blaming is a relatively easy crutch to lean on when faced with tangled problems such as our ailing educational system. Uninvolved parents, unskilled teachers, un-motivated students, misguided policy makers, rampant consumerism, and disparate socio-economic factors are all blamed for the steady decline in public education. Truthfully, they probably all contribute significantly, however, the challenge when faced with such thorny multifaceted problems is not to lay the blame at the feet of other more culpable factions, but to reflect on our small role in the whole and identify ways to improve our contribution.

As a teacher, I can learn from colleagues what brings their classes alive, I can reflect on my practice with mentors, and engage students in an open dialogue about how they envision our partnership in their education. As a member of the community I can disregard punitive public acts such as publishing teacher test data that undermine true reform efforts grounded in teacher growth and support. And as a parent I can spend time with my child in enriching environments, foster creativity, and support her growth as an individual free thinker.

What can you do?

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