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Students Complain About New Dress Code at Stuyvesant

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May 25, 2012, 2:55 p.m.

Stuyvesant High School in Manhattan adopted a new dress code in the fall because, as Stanley Teitel, the principal, told the Spectator, the student newspaper, a few months ago, “People were not wearing things we thought were appropriate for school.” According to the new rules, posted on the school’s Web site, sayings and illustrations on clothing must be in good taste, and hemlines of skirts, shorts and dresses must fall “well below the fingertips” when students stand. Penalties for first-time offenders might include the student having to wear a large gray T-shirt in school. A second offense could result in parents having to come to the school. Some students, predictably, are not too happy with how the new code has been enforced. The Spectator interviewed a few of them for their views in an article that appeared on the newspaper’s Web site. The article has been lightly edited.

By Tiffany Phan, junior
The Spectator
Stuyvesant High School

The dress code is meant to protect students and to preserve the academic atmosphere of Stuyvesant – or so it seems. Ever since the beginning of the school year, countless students, both male and female, have clashed with the administration regarding these requirements. The conflicts have not been a result of a conscious student rebellion against the code. Rather they were an expected outcome of the administration’s faulty, subjective enforcement of the policy. Here are the experiences of a few students:

Jacqueline Krass, senior

My issues – for lack of a better word – with the dress code actually date back to before its official existence. In the spring, especially, there have always been disagreements between students and the administration about what is appropriate and what is not. Before the official dress code was drafted, the rule seemed to be “whatever administrative figures nearby think looks inappropriate.” This used to result in different people being told different things, especially given the dramatic variation in body type among students — shorts can look shorter, or dresses less appropriate, depending on the student’s physique. However, clothing violations also had much less of an effect on daily student life before this year. No one got her ID card taken away, or had gray shirts handed to her.

Things have changed with the introduction of official rules. For the most part, I don’t consider myself to be a particularly inappropriate dresser – even my mother would agree – but this year, I’ve been called out nearly every single time I’ve worn a skirt, dress or pair of shorts (maxi skirts not included). Once I even lost my ID card over a belted dress that just reached my fingertips – and, once the belt was off (as I showed the administrator) actually went beyond. I’m not sure what it is about me that causes me to become the administration’s target girl. Not all my friends have the same problem; few girls I know get called out as frequently as I do, and of course boys barely have to acknowledge the existence of a dress code at all. Perhaps this simply stems from some sort of miscommunication about the rules of the dress code. One day I came in wearing a jean skirt that actually extended beyond my fingertips (I had checked!) and, although wary of being called out, I was not totally surprised to be stopped anyway. What did surprise me was being informed that it wasn’t enough for the skirt to simply reach past my fingertips (à la the rules as stated in the student planner), it had to “go well past.” When I complained, indignant, that they just didn’t make dresses or skirts long enough to pass – not for teenagers, anyway – I was advised to “think knees,” or just wear pants. I was released with a warning, and left feeling like I’d been called out for wearing a bikini top to school, or a garter belt. It was an unpleasant, shaming experience.

Still, I didn’t realize how damaging and degrading the whole situation had become until the thought occurred to me that I was excited to leave Stuyvesant for college next year because I wouldn’t have to follow a dress code anymore.

Lucinda Ventimiglia, senior

I have been stopped to justify my clothing many, many times since the beginning of this school year, and 9 out of 10 times, I wasn’t breaking the dress code. I’ve been told that even though my skirts were technically acceptable, they were still too short for me to wear, and once it was suggested that I should follow a separate dress code, wherein my skirts should end at least four inches past my fingertips, and preferably at my knees. Even though hearing that I needed an individual dress code was hurtful, it wasn’t even the worst thing that’s happened to me regarding the dress code. That would be the time that I walked in wearing a dress that did in fact follow the rules, only to be stopped by one of the women sitting by the scanners. She told me that my dress was too short, and that I would have plenty of time to “show off my curves” when I wasn’t in school (I found this to be ridiculous because the dress I was wearing was shapeless). She then went on to say that the dress code was only instituted for my protection, because there are a lot of bad men outside school, and if I was raped nobody would be able to take that away from me. Then, she said, “And you want a husband, don’t you?” I called my mom later, in total shock, and told her what had happened. She called the school, and funnily enough, I haven’t been unfairly targeted since then.

Marta Poplawski, junior

My experience with the dress code has not been as extreme, but certainly not much different from that of others. Various members of the school staff have pulled me over once or twice to tell me that leggings are inappropriate. Last year, in warmer weather, I was pulled over because my shorts did not reach my fingertips, and once when it hit 90 degrees I was yelled at for wearing a tank top. I have long arms, so the fingertip rule often works to my disadvantage. The shorts I wore did not expose anything (besides my terribly suggestive knee caps at times), and even if I bent over my attire remained appropriate. Meanwhile, I have seen classmates in much shorter attire than I who did not get pulled over. I feel that this dress code is simply a judgment of style; it rewards those who can sneak past the administration fast enough. I also believe that if I were sweating from heat because I was in long pants, it’d be much more distracting than people in shorts, which has been used as reasoning before.

At the moment, there are just too many ambiguities about the policy. Who is to decide what illustration or phrase on a shirt is “good taste”? The administration. And who is to decide what is “proper” enough, what is not “too provocative”? Again, the administration. The original dress code requirements aren’t unreasonable and they don’t seem too hard to follow, but the fluctuating opinions of the staff are just too unpredictable. If I’m supposed to be allowed to wear a skirt as long as it’s past my fingertips, I expect to be able to get into school without being insulted when I am wearing one. I’m not saying that students are completely innocent; there are times when some of us do violate the code. But when we do make an effort to follow it, we do not expect to be pulled over and disrespected by whoever is supposedly righteous enough to judge students based on their clothing.

Tiffany Phan, junior

It was 7:55 a.m. when I swiped my ID card through the scanner one morning. I was in a hurry to get to physics on the eighth floor (my teacher has a tendency to give pop quizzes at the beginning of the period). The woman who was supervising the scanners that morning looked me up and down and then guided me into the office of an assistant principal. Once I went in, she took one look at me, sighed, and asked me what I was thinking when I went out of the house that morning. All I wore was a long-sleeved button-down, which was secured by a navy skirt and accompanied by floral cutout tights; I didn’t intend for it to be inappropriate in the slightest. At the moment, I was confused because I specifically made sure that the skirt covering my patterned tights was past my fingertips. She told me that the whole outfit was bad and that I looked like I was “going out for a Saturday night, not going to school.” I think we all know what she was implying. After she took my ID and barred me from going to class until I changed, I swiftly put on some jeans I had in my locker and went back to her. She promptly commended me for actually looking like a lady and said that it was “much better.”

To this day, I still don’t understand why I was forced to change, and every single day since then, I’ve had difficulty deciding what to wear to school. Clearly, skirt length isn’t the only factor that needs to be considered when we pick out our outfits. We still have to cater to the administration’s personal and exceptionally professional fashionista tastes.

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Riley Ray Robbins May 27, 2012, 4:12 AM

If you're in any way interested, I'll be happy to forward some former students of now Principal Stanley Teitel. When Teitel was just a physics teacher, the noted lothario told certain girls to wear a miniskirt to class "For Extra Credit."

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Jeff Putterman May 27, 2012, 8:22 PM

Teitel is a dope. If you don't believe it, read any of his letters to parents. The man has no idea how to express himself in English. Were he a young man, he'd never pass the test to get into Stuy!!!

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Gary Ventimiglia May 27, 2012, 9:20 PM

Stick to empowering young girls at your school.
Your small minded remarks toward my niece and to other students are morally reprehensible and have no place in a school like SHS.

i am writing to The NYT to look into this.

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Etan Ben-Ami May 28, 2012, 1:05 PM

As an alumnus from Stuyvesant's turbulent class of 1973, I'd suggest the current crop of Stuyvesant students use this as an educational opportunity.

It seems almost anyone, even the lowest level bureaucrat, will misuse power when checks are inadequate. Your assignment is to organize students into an effective counter to lame-brained, sexist policies. What would happen if everyone in the senior class (boys included) came to school wearing a questionable skirt? Have fun. Don't do anything that will look too bad on your record.

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Kathleen Carroll May 25, 2012, 8:11 PM

1st through 12th grade in uniform didn't do any harm, had no negative affect and didn't pose lifetime fear of uniforms! Seriously, it's beneficial to most if not all, great for parents as they aren't stuck buying all the latest name brands for kids. It also gives kids time to learn how to dress appropriately for each occasion, whether it's a day at school, work, holidays or hanging with friends.

All schools should have uniforms, it's not a right to dress as you wish.

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Charles Bagley May 27, 2012, 1:35 AM

This argument is a non-sequitur. Nobody is arguing against the merits of a school uniform, although your proposal (I can tell you) would not be relished by the students of Stuyvesant High School. We are simply in protest of a rule that, as implemented by the faculty of the school, is subjective and often offensive, very similar to Daphne's post below.

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Greg Papadatos June 15, 2012, 10:04 PM

Actually, Kathleen, it IS a right to "dress as you wish." It falls under the general rights of "Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness", which are mentioned somewhere by our Founding Fathers. I forget which document, exactly; perhaps you could look it up.

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Greg Papadatos May 27, 2012, 4:06 AM

As an alumnus of Stuyvesant, I am absolutely APPALLED that there a new dress code for the school. The article I've just read tells me that the new code is unnecessarily conservative, enforced inconsistently, and particularly unfair to girls. The administration should scrap the whole thing.

Kathleen Carroll: Yes, wearing what you want IS a right. Our Constitution grants us our rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Happiness is best pursued, I believe, when one is wearing what they damned well want to wear, and not what somebody else approves of.

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Neal Zupančič May 29, 2012, 6:37 AM

"Our Constitution grants us our rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness."

I agree with your point 100%, but you're thinking of the Declaration of Independence. "Pursuit of happiness" does not appear anywhere in the Constitution.

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Greg Papadatos June 15, 2012, 10:05 PM

I stand corrected.

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Christopher Bingham May 28, 2012, 11:14 PM

They should organize burka day as a protest. It's a great example of what *countries* are like that have dress codes, provides a mask for people that don't want to be identified and would show solidarity with oppressed cultures.

Wouldn't it be an interesting day if ALL students, male and female showed up covered head to foot in black?

As the SCOTUS has said "Students do not leave their first amendment rights at the school house door."

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Paul Kramer May 25, 2012, 7:31 PM

Dress codes don't have a positive effect on anyone.

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Maya Zabar May 25, 2012, 10:30 PM

Let's keep in mind that this is just four opinions out of a school of over 3000 students, and there are no adults mentioned in this article.

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Charles Bagley May 27, 2012, 1:31 AM

Most of the student body is agreement with the women whose stories are presented here.

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Chan Yeol May 27, 2012, 3:45 AM

Of course there aren't adults mentioned in the article; they aren't as affected by the dress code.
And it's not as if it's possible to include an article with the opinion of all three thousand students, though I can assure you the majority would agree. Why is it fair that certain students can pass with the same exact clothes as another, who is stopped by administration simply because it "looks" too short?

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Miriam Bial May 27, 2012, 5:44 PM

I go to Stuy and have seen teachers and administrators breaking the dress code especially now that it's summer. While the teachers do dress "professionally," that does not bar shirts that expose the shoulders or slightly short skirts.
And it's true, the majority do agree. The anger stems not so much from the existence of the code but from it's subjective and arbitrary enforcement. I've been given warnings when I complied completely with the code and am pulled over for a double check far more than my shorter friends.
I understand that some clothing is inappropriate, but when it is 80 degrees outside and the school still hasn't fixed the air conditioners, attire should not be one of the administration's main priorities.

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Miles Purinton May 27, 2012, 6:05 PM

As a Stuyvesant alum, I can all but guarantee that this is not something that the student body as a whole would get behind. And, honestly, why would they? Yes, these are only four opinions shared, but the accounts of these four women, for me, illuminate the horrifying consequences of this policy. What these women have had to go through was humiliating and unfair. The policy, and the way that it has been enforced, go well beyond the reaches of what the administration should have control over.

As you pointed out, no adults are mentioned in the article and, as was already brought up, that's because they're not affected. I'd like to point out that, similarly, no male students are mentioned here. That's because they too have not been affected by this policy. I know there are male students who bare their shoulders, and oftentimes have visible underwear, but I doubt that this new dress code policy has affected them whatsoever. While women can be patronizingly told to "dress like a lady," if their skirt is, as I believe this article shows, arbitrarily deemed to be too short ("well beyond the fingertips" is in no ways a precise measurement), men are not going to be targeted by these security guards. This policy blatantly discriminates in a truly ugly way. Just one of the more obvious reasons why this policy is rightfully protested by the students.

Then again, given the past decisions of Stanley Teitel, I cannot say that I'm surprised.

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Benjamin Xie May 27, 2012, 10:37 PM

Let's keep in mind that at least 4 young women, that attend a New York City public school no less, were subjected to sexist remarks, shaming, and unfair treatment based on clothing. Even if there were only one anecdote, it should be enough for us to be outraged.

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Daphne Dyce May 26, 2012, 8:21 PM

Short skirts are not meant for everyone to wear. If you're chubby & overweight (you know who you are) you should keep your skirt lengths at or below the knees; it's slimming and much, much more attractive for chubby/overweight female.

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Charles Bagley May 27, 2012, 1:30 AM

Nobody said that everyone should wear short skirts. The matter at hand is whether or not the faculty of the school is more capable of determining the students' outfits than the students themselves. You may argue that students need some authority in their lives, but this a power that is better left to the parents rather than the school.

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Belinda Cape May 27, 2012, 6:03 PM

Daphne - perhaps you should get a job with the scanner supervisor ladies. You could dispense slimming fashion advice to all the fat girls!

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Todd Woodard June 1, 2012, 12:39 PM

Daphne -- electronic public forums of expression are perhaps not meant for everyone to express their misguided, shallow and ridiculously egotistical views to others. If you're an idiot and completely full of yourself, yet underneath it all probably horribly insecure (you know who you are, Daphne), you should perhaps wear a turtleneck that extends four inches above the crown of the head so that you can neither be heard nor see a keyboard, and wear sleeves that extend four inches beyond your fingertips so that you can't type (in case you learned the keyboard by heart without looking); it's humbling, and much, much more attractive for a self-absorbed / underdeveloped human, as it will pleasantly conceal the ugliness of your character.

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Mike Huang May 27, 2012, 5:39 PM

The administration should actually go to a college campus and see what the partygoers wear when they go downtown. The restrictive trend that started before I even got into Stuy still continues I see now that I graduated.

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Eric Jaffa May 29, 2012, 3:39 PM

The First Amendment isn't needed to protect bland speech.

It exists to protect offensive speech.

The government (public school officials) have no right to tell students that "sayings and illustrations on clothing must be in good taste."

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Gemma Seymour-Amper June 8, 2012, 5:37 PM

I'm going to repost the comments I have made in the Stuyvesant High School Alumni Association Facebook group. I am appalled at what is going on here.

' "Having spent a goodly portion of the past 20 years working in K-12 school districts, I have been witness to the changes in dress habits of Usamerican teenagers. However, the dress code, so far as I can see, is problematic in many respects, not least of all those aspects which strike a chord with me, as a person who challenges society's ideas of what constitutes "proper" gendered behavior and expression. Then there is the fact that the dress code is misogynistic in that it impacts the women/girls much more than the men/boys. Lastly, there are the wider implications of body policing and generational progress."

I would like to encourage all alumni and the SHSAA to take positive action against the institution of any dress code at our alma mater. The City of New York has laws protecting people from discrimination on the basis of gender identity and expression, as well as race, sexual orientation, sex, and gender, and as you can imagine, as a out and visible transsexual lesbian woman activist of color, I take a very dim view of those who seek, even inadvertently, to deny trans people the equal protection under the law of our rights, those whose idea of propriety more negatively impacts women in comparison to men, those whose standards of decency fail to consider a wide range of cultural backgrounds, and those who seek to police other people's bodies in any way.

In other words, this policy and any such dress code, can be viewed as simultaneously oppositionally sexist, cissexist, heterosexist, racist, classist, ableist, lookist, and...did I miss anything? Stuyvesant High School has been, and remains, one of the premier institutions of learning in New York City, Usamerica, and the world. The reputation of this great school should not, indeed must not, be diminished by reactionary dress codes or illegal discrimination.'

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