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Top Education Official Tells New York to Keep Up Reforms

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June 4, 2012, 11:05 p.m.

Arne Duncan, the United States secretary of education, said that the country was lagging far behind its international competitors, and that he supported New York’s efforts to implement a reform agenda.

He told an audience of foundation leaders that he supported revisions to teacher evaluation systems, new learning standards and the tests to assess them, all to ensure that students leave high school with “21st century skills.”

“The biggest challenge I think we all face is that we’re all told we’re going too fast,” he said. “When in fact we are going far, far, far too slow. The world is passing us by.”

Mr. Duncan was joined on stage by the state education commissioner, John B. King Jr., and the New York City schools chancellor, Dennis M. Walcott, at the annual meeting of Philanthropy New York, a group of foundations based in New York.

Their conversation covered most of the hot-button education issues, with special attention paid to the Common Core Learning Standards, and building better state assessments to test the new standards.

The Common Core focuses on higher-order thinking skills, like problem solving, making effective arguments and thinking creatively. New York City started its transition to the new curriculum last school year, and state math and reading tests are expected to integrate Common Core standards next year.

“We’ve got to build assessments that do a better job measuring exactly the skills that the Common Core requires,” said Dr. King. “So if we want to encourage teachers to do more writing with evidence, we’ve got to ask questions on the assessments that require students to provide evidence.”

He added that the tests should integrate new technology. New York State plans to begin computer-based state assessments in the 2014-15 school year, Dr. King said.

“That will give us the opportunity to have more innovative items, to ask students to create mathematical models on the screen, to have students type their essays rather than write their essays to be able to make the sort of edits that they’d have to make in the workplace to their writing,” he said.

When asked by WNYC’s Beth Fertig, who moderated the panel, Dr. King acknowledged the problems in this year’s state tests designed by Pearson. Because of some faulty test questions, the state and Pearson came under withering attack by critics and the news media.

He vowed improvements going forward but also decried the tone of the testing debate.

“The tenor of the discourse is so acrimonious, and there is such a sort-of gotcha culture around assessment,” he said, “in part because we are asking more of the assessment system.”

Mr. Walcott added that the “state got really knocked around” with this year’s criticisms of the state tests, referring to media headlines and what he called a tabloid society.

For Monday’s audience members, who have a vested interest in private foundations’ role in education, Mr. Duncan was encouraging.

“I’m actually not coming here to ask you to give a lot more – although that would be great too – but to be really smarter in what you’re giving,” he said, and told the audience members to get a good return on their investment.

“There are great early childhood programs and there are terrible early childhood programs,” he said. “Quality matters.”

Yasmeen Khan is a producer at WNYC. Follow her on Twitter @yasmeenkhan

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Peter Parker June 5, 2012, 3:22 AM

There is something very sinister going on in education in NY state and city. This is not about the children. This is about big business and destruction of unions. It is about what is taught. It is about companies getting contracts for standardized tests, textbooks, and charter schools. It is about controlling how much or how little children learn and what point of view they learn it from. It is about limiting upward mobility for the majority. It is about politicians being able to say the "test results prove our reforms are working" or politicians saying "All children deserve a equal education." Well duh!

Education in NYC is in terrible shape.

It is not about the lack of parental involvement, the behavior problems of students, the total lack of respect for the profession, the attack on senior teachers who know what works and what doesn't.

Education

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Gretchen Mergenthaler June 5, 2012, 3:17 PM

Beth Fertig was way too soft on these three. This was merely a forum for them to say what they wanted. All of them had little sound bites that sounded great but were complete lies. Like Duncan saying "to learn more math, learn music"...well, music programs have been decimated and bubble testing takes all the time from teachers. And more testing he supports, not more music programs. He also said something about "want kids to listen? Give them more exercise" Well, Mr Education secretary, you guessed it, dance, gym and sports (if schools have them) are given back seat to prepping for bubble tests. If a kid is LUCKY he gets ONE 40 minute gym class A WEEK. The FACT is that teachers have to teach to these horrible tests in order to survive. My son's creative teacher is actually made WORSE by these "reforms" because she worries how the kids will do on these bubble tests and thus teaches to them....instead of using her amazing creativity. My son HATES school. And I don't blame him. One question for Ms Fertig on the Philanthropy site(which she chose not to use) was, Why do these people making these "reforms" send their kids to schools that DO NOT endorse bubble tests? Bloomberg...Gates, Obama...They send THEIR kids to schools that do hands-on projects, that have music, theater, art and sports teams. They understand what is best for education, they just don't believe that every child deserves an excellent education.

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Vicki Zunitch June 5, 2012, 11:16 PM

Repeat: "Beth Fertig was way too soft on these three. This was merely a forum for them to say what they wanted."

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Edith Baltazar June 5, 2012, 9:47 AM

Dr. King, to use your words, there are great assessments and terrible assessments. What we have now ia terrible. How does a value-added model to evaluate teachers improve education? When these types of assessments were first created, they were never intended to be used in high-stakes decisions. These tests tell us, for example, that an eighth-grade teacher at Anderson School is ranked the worst eighth-grade teacher in NYC because her students did not meet expectations. Even though they passed math Regents exams for high school students? Teachers do want to be evaluated, but not this way.

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Leonidas Henry June 5, 2012, 12:41 PM

where are the students coming from that will repair subway cars, service con edison power stations, service the water pipes, gas pipes, build the scaffolds for buildings, construct the rof and ceilings, hang the doors, prepare the cinder blocks, design, and complete the electrical installation for houses and buildings, service and repair the cars, computers, computer networks, service the telecommunication system, and military electronic systems, and a host of other skilled trades? They wont be coming from new york city public school system because the public school system as it is and unfolds,has killed most if not all of the skilled areas that once permeated the public school system. What happened to school to work, what happened to the apprenticeship system, the day release system, what happened to the yearly state test in occupational and technical subjects,that resulted in a vocational or technical endorsement on the students diploma. Who is benefitting from undereducating the youths of today under the guise they are preparing them for jobs in the 21st century. The jobs are there but the children of new york city will not be able to fill or qualify for them under this present education system. The leaders of this system should be ashamed of themselves as they continue to rob children of the full rounded education that is their birthright. Give the kids both the skilled areas and the academics, it is the only way.

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Andrew M June 5, 2012, 5:30 AM

"The biggest challenge I think we all face is that we’re all told we’re going too fast,” Duncan said. “When in fact we are going far, far, far too slow. The world is passing us by.”

Is this all Arne Duncan cares about? We need to stop worrying about the rest of the world, and do what is best for our students. Duncan and King need to be replaced by people who won't support the corporate Ed reform Countries such as Finland focused on what was best for them, and now they the best education system in the world. It also took the Finns three decades to become the best,so this should show us trying to fix it overnight with crappy policy ideas (testing,Race To The Top,etc.) is not the answer.

This may be radical,but I think tenured teachers in NYS and around the country should not return to their classrooms in September,but instead storm their state capitals and demand teachers are given a seat at the table when it comes to policy that will affect their students. The time has come to fight back for the students and to regain the respect that has been lost for the profession.

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Ralph Ratto June 5, 2012, 10:53 AM

I agree with Arne Duncan, Our kids do deserve quality. So I am once more requesting Arne Duncan step down so that he may be replaced with someone who actually knows what they are doing.After all quality counts and Arne doesn't even come close.

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Ann Cat June 6, 2012, 12:46 AM

I almost spit up my dinner while reading this piece. A "gotcha culture around ASSESSMENT"????? Is he kidding me?! Try a gotcha culture against teachers and unions. Indeed there is something very sinister going on in New York. The wizards behind the curtain have very deep pockets...deep enough to get a whole lot of people to go along with them. Collusion at its worst. I beg you, NYT, please investigate the major players and Pearson and dollars. Why is the best newspaper in the world burying its head on this issue? The heart of this education "reform" is money NOT children.

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Danielle Allen June 5, 2012, 9:25 AM

You should know that Crafty men condemn studies; simple men admire them and wise men use them. Be a wise man and use the education to get a job, search online for High Speed Universities you will be surprised to learn how fast it is to get degree and pump up your resume

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Jason Middlekauff June 6, 2012, 2:41 AM

Duncan's policies and those proffered and funded by the "billionaire boys' club" are a threat to public education not only in New York but in large urban areas across the country. The majority of those policies have no research evidence backing them, not to mention the testing-mania NLCB ushered in and Race to the Top has doubled down on has a decade's worth of failure. Why continue to push such ideas then? Apparently because the voices of ed reform (few who have ANY experience as educators) don't actually care about improving education. As Leonidas noted, there's a paucity of robust vo-tech training now because so much money is poured into ill-advised policies.

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