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Panel Debates Bloomberg's School Reforms

Board of Regents Chancellor Merryl Tisch speaking at a forum, with Zakiyah Ansari (left), Shael Polakow-Suransky and Micah LasherPhoto from City & State Board of Regents Chancellor Merryl Tisch speaking at a forum, with Zakiyah Ansari (left), Shael Polakow-Suransky and Micah Lasher
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Nov. 28, 2012, 2:59 p.m.

#OnEducation Forum

A panel of educational stakeholders and officials debated the legacy of Mayor Michael Bloomberg’s reorganization and reform of the school system on Wednesday morning as they considered the landscape facing the city’s next mayor.

Zakiyah Ansari, the advocacy director of the Alliance for Quality Education said parents must have a place at the table earlier and more often when changes are under consideration for the city’s public schools. She also wanted what she considered the villification of teachers to stop.

“What are we doing to support teachers in schools? The competition internationally is beating us out on every level and one thing they don’t do is bash teachers. They support them overall,” she said. “That’s what has been missing in this conversation, not just for teachers but for parents.”

The Department of Education’s Chief Academic Officer, Shael Polakow-Suransky, said he has tremendous respect for the city’s teachers. But he stood by the use of rubrics and measurements as tools to assess students and teachers.

“I think having a discussion about teacher quality and holding teachers accountable does not equate to not supporting teachers,” he said. “I think that you need to do both. There needs to be a process to give teachers professional development, give teachers feedback on their practice.”

On the topic of measurements, Merryl Tisch, the chancellor of the state’s Board of Regents, and Polakow-Suransky both praised the new Common Core state standards. But they acknowledged test scores are likely to drop this spring when students take the first new state exams aligned with the Common Core.

“We should make no mistakes about this. This is tougher. It is asking more of our kids,” Polakow-Suransky said, citing the state of Kentucky which saw a 30 percent drop in student proficiency on its first round of Common Core-linked tests.

“We would not be surprised if we saw the scores come down,” Tisch said, declining to predict by how much. “If as a result of a new standard we see a temporary dip in the performance on standardized tests, I would welcome that temporary dip as a way of taking us to a place where we know we really need to go.”

Representing the parents’ perspective on the panel, Ansari said she was disappointed that parents weren’t brought into the conversation about Common Core earlier. Getting input from more of the people affected, including parents and students, could have helped iron out problems before they occurred, she said.

“It’s great that we’re going to give kids harder texts and everything else but if schools don’t have libraries or if they can’t buy the text books or they can’t buy the books for the students then it becomes an issue,” she said. “In many of the schools, and the community I live in, that’s an issue.”

Moderator Beth Fertig asked the panelists whether the Bloomberg administration had put too much emphasis on restructuring the school system at the expense of academics. Despite increasing the four-year graduation rate by at least 15 percentage points, to more than 60 percent, just 29 percent of students are “college-ready” based on their Regents test scores.

Polakow-Suransky described a two-step process of reform, in which the city had to get more students to graduate before raising the bar, because high school drop-outs have the poorest job prospects of all.

“Now we have to get together and figure out how to deliver. And I think we have a lot of things happening in the system moving us in the right direction. So changing the curriculum, improving the quality of the assessments, improving the quality of the teacher evaluations, training guidance counselors, exposing kids to the process of applying to college much earlier. All of those are steps that are underway and I think will yield much better results. And we can’t stop until we get there.”

Micah Lasher, executive director of StudentsFirstNY, and the city’s former legislative director, said it’s important to remember that the Bloomberg administration started with an antiquated bureaucracy and stagnant graduation rate.

“It took some time to go from a culture that had no focus whatsoever on outcomes to one that really honed in on what were the outcomes that most mattered,” Lasher said. He rejected what he called false choices in the debate on education reforms.

“It can both be true that progress has been made and that we are nowhere near where we should be,” he said.

For the full discussion, listen to the audio above, and keep the conversation going with your comments below.

Patricia Willens is the editor of SchoolBook. Follow her on Twitter @pwillens

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Leonie Haimson November 29, 2012, 11:40 PM

Micah Lasher says most NYC HS "none of us would send our kids to" after 10 years of mayoral control? Not a great endorsement of the job that Michael Bloomberg has done!

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Carol Burris November 30, 2012, 1:43 AM

It is also important to remember that the "college ready" index is a fabricated metric. It was created from a correlation between two Regents scores--Algebra and English--and the probability of achieving a certain grade in a freshman course at CUNY. Made up...there is no real research to show that if he student gets a 79 on the Algebra Regents instead of an 80 he is "not college ready". SED created it, and now everyone buys in. More testing silliness. College Readinesses comes from giving students a rich, challenging curriculum.

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Omar Lopez November 30, 2012, 6:56 PM

Leonie:

Micah also said, “It can both be true that progress has been made and that we are nowhere near where we should be."

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Mary Conway-Spiegel November 30, 2012, 11:54 PM

"Nowhere near where we should be" would be sufficient, except the entire reform movement is based on and takes its pride in the speed with which "reforms" happens. Ed policy maker after ed policy maker starts their pitch with, "...it's just not happening fast enough" and that's why we're closing your school. You can't have it both ways.
Schools aren't making progress quickly enough, so HURRY, QUICKLY let's bust a gut and use the "Turnaround" method to quickly "fix" a "failing" school.
Sorry, progress has not been made and we are further away than ever.

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Vicki Zunitch December 1, 2012, 2:09 PM

Not only do many schools "not have" libraries, but even for those that (ostensibly) do, the library visit, weekly book check-out and instruction in using libraries has been eliminated.
Forced reading rules in Kindergarten as opposed to learning how to properly form letters and enjoy listening to the teacher read a book.

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Vicki Zunitch December 1, 2012, 2:13 PM

These are not stakeholders except that each and every one of them has a stake in continuing to receive a paycheck.
Where were the parents on the panel? A REAL parent, whose paycheck does not come from either the status quo or from changing the status quo.
Students? How about the high school and even middle school students, who are perfectly capable of telling you what they want and need from their educations?
Some of the people on your panel and many of the people in charge of the current "Kindergarten Means Academics From 7:30 in the Morning Until 4:30 PM" crowd come from the very same group of "activists" who "reformed" education in the late 60s and early 70s by demanding the elimination of required courses in high school and college and questioning why they need to learn physics, latin or math because those courses were't "relevant" to scoring a doobie. Now wonder our schools are messed up.

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Vicki Zunitch December 3, 2012, 5:58 PM

Even if there has been progress toward achieving the goals set by Michael Bloomberg to "meet the needs of industry" (see the Atlantic interview of him), the wrong goal has been set.
Thus, it is not true what you imply -- that progress has been made even though we are not near where we should be -- because although we have moved, we have moved toward the wrong goal. That is not progress.
The goal of education has to do with the cognitive, content-ual and character dvelopment of our children.
The goal of education is not to "meet the needs of industry" while we provide free child care under the guise of a cognitively and developmentally inappropriate education, which is what we have now.
These are two separate issues. 1) Does society need full-day child care starting at age 4 and how do we achieve that? 2) What is the best possible education for our child, taking into account the equally important goals of content, developmentally appropriateness and health (physical, mental and social).

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